如果被ISIS抓获，美国军队中的女兵是否有被敌军士兵残忍对待的危险？ [美国媒体]

Are women soldiers in the US military at risk of being brutalized by enemy soldiers if captured by ISIS?

如果被ISIS抓获，美国军队中的女兵是否有被敌军士兵残忍对待的危险？





Chris Everett, Observer of military matters.
Answered Mar 23, 2017 · Upvoted by Tom Farrier, Retired USAF rescue helicopter pilot; current aviation safety contractor (UAS)
ANYONE captured by ISIS is going to be horribly brutalized and killed.
As far as I know, only three US service members have been captured by enemy forces post 2003. Two soldiers who were manning a roadblock in Iraq, who were subsequently killed, and Bowe Bergdahl, who abandoned his post and was picked up by the Taliban, and who was eventually returned to the US.

任何被ISIS抓获的人都将被残忍地杀害。据我所知，2003年以来只有三名美国军人被敌军抓获。两名士兵在伊拉克驻守路障，随后被打死；博韦·贝里达尔放弃了他的岗位后被塔利班捡到，但他最终回到了美国。

Among the reasons for this extremely low rate is the well known fact that being captured by these enemies WILL see you having your head slowly cut off with a rusty knife on liveleak. If you are lucky. So everyone fights to the death.

这一比率极低（女兵）的原因之一是众所周知的事实，如果你幸运的话，被这些敌人捕获的人会在 liveleak（一视频分享网站）上看到你的头被一把生锈的慢慢砍下。所以每个人都战斗到底。

Now, I think that there is a vastly increased chance of sexual assault and rape in most conflict situations for female POW’s. Some people disagree with me, and I think those people are caught it a web of political-correctness turned lies. But that’s a very different question.

现在，我认为女性战俘在大多数冲突情况下遭受性攻击和强奸的可能性大大增加。有些人不同意我的观点，因为我认为那些人被（某种思想套牢了）。 政治正确性变成了谎言，这是一个完全不同的问题。

Keith Hisey, Researcher, Explorationist, Manager at Geology
Answered Aug 14
Run the risk? Are you kidding. It is a certainty. History shows it. Every female soldier captured in the wars with Iraq was raped. Even the female helo pilot who suffered two broken arms and a leg.
Israel found that the Arabs fighting against the one female combat unit that they fielded fought more savagely that the others because the idea that they were fighting a unit comprise of Jewesses drove them into a rage since it was considered an insult to their manhood. So based on what you know of the average Jihadi's attitude toward women would have resulted if any of those Jewesses had fallen into their hands。

冒风险？你开玩笑吧。这是必然的。历史证明了这一点。在与伊拉克的战争中被俘的每一个女士兵都被强奸了。即使是女直升机飞行员，她的两条胳膊和一条腿都骨折了。以色列发现，阿拉伯人与他们派出的一支女战斗单位作战比其他人更野蛮，因为一想到他们在与犹太女子组成的部队作战，他们就怒不可遏，因为这被认为是对他们男子气概的侮辱。因此，根据你所知道的一般圣战士兵对妇女的态度，如果这些犹太人中的任何一个落在他们的手中，那就会导致这样的结果。

I personally think that the US putting women into combat units is going to increase the savagery of combat on a global scale, if not against our enemies, then against our own military. Why? Because once, we as a country thought it was our duty as men to protect women. We even protected the women of our enemies. Even women in Serbia and Kosovo were spared death if not rape, when their husbands and sons were shot out of hand. Why? because even their enemy did not see the women as future combatants, only the males.
So if we send our women in harms way, our enemies are now given a reason to see any American woman as a legitimate target because she is a potential soldier that they might have to face at a later time.
Even the US did the same thing. The Battle of the Bismarck Sea where US planes sunk 8 troop transports and 4 destroyers. Our planes circled back around and machine gunned the surviving troops in the water and the sharks got many of the survivors. The pilots knew that if the troops reached shore on New Guinea, they would have to fight them again, so the killed them helpless in the water. That is what war does.

我个人认为，美国将妇女投入战斗部队将在全球范围内加剧野蛮的战斗，如果不是针对我们的敌人，那么就是针对我们自己的军队。为什么？因为作为一个国家，我们认为保护妇女是我们作为男人的责任。我们甚至保护我们敌人的女人，塞尔维亚和科索沃的妇女，他们即使不被强奸也会被打死，她们的丈夫和儿子也会被枪杀。为什么？因为即使是作为他们敌人的我们也没有把女人视作为未来的战斗人员，只有男性才是。
所以如果我们以可能受到伤害的方式送我们的女人上战场，我们的敌人现在就有理由视你的美国女人是一个合法的目标，因为她是一个潜在的士兵，他们可能不得不在以后的时间面对她。
甚至美国也做了同样的事。在俾斯麦海峡的战斗中，美国飞机击沉了8架运输机和4艘驱逐舰。我们的飞机在四周上空盘旋，机枪扫射了幸存的部队。 鲨鱼吞噬了很多幸存者。飞行员知道，如果这支部队到达新几内亚海岸，他们将不得不再次与他们战斗，因此他们在水中无助地杀死了他们。这就是战争。

Rik Andino, Former Sgt US Marine Corps. Recruiter Liaison NCO, DOD Administration Management
Answered Mar 22, 2017 · Upvoted by Tom Farrier, Retired USAF rescue helicopter pilot; current aviation safety contractor (UAS)
Your question is irrelevant. Why…?
Because, any US soldiers captured by ISIS will be brutalized, regardless of gender.
Actually lemme clarify that: Any soldier captured by ISIS will be brutalized, regardless of nationality or gender.

你的问题(与现实)毫不相干……为什么...？因为，任何被ISIS俘虏的美国士兵都会被残忍地对待，无论性别。事实上，请让我澄清一点：任何被ISIS俘虏的士兵都将遭到野蛮对待，而不论其国籍或性别如何。

Actually lemme clarify that even more: anyone captured by ISIS will be brutalized, regardless of vocation, nationality, or gender.
So the moral of the story is; regardless of who you, don't get captured by ISIS, they will brutalized you.
It's irrelevant whether the soldier is American or man or woman.

事实上，请允许我进一步澄清这一点：任何被ISIS俘虏的人都会被野蛮对待，而不论职业、国籍或性别如何。所以这个故事的寓意是，不管你是谁，不要被ISIS抓到，他们会残忍地对待你。士兵是美国人还是男人还是女人都无关紧要。

Manohar AM, Presently retired from services and living contentedly.
Answered Mar 22, 2017
Like bullets, the enemy too will not differentiate between men and women.
More important fact is that the Geneva Convention was not signed by any terrorist group, be it ISIS or some other outfit.
I am totally shamed to provide such details of abuse and brutalising of female PWs in these columns as they are gruesome.
However if someone wants the real happenings as reported in New York Times here is the site…

敌人和子弹一样，也不会区分男人和女人。更重要的是，“日内瓦公约”不是由任何恐怖组织签署的，无论是ISIS还是其他组织。我对在这些专栏中提供这些虐待和野蛮对待女性残疾人的细节感到非常羞愧，因为她们（的遭遇）令人毛骨悚然。然而，如果有人想要了解真实发生的事情，正如“纽约时报”所报道的，这里是网站…（提供了一个网站）

Brett Potomac, Has watched tons of the Military History channel.
Answered Mar 22, 2017
Well ISIS isn't “gentle” with any of their prisoners.
Granted, they probably do not rape any of their male prisoners, but the male prisoners are absolutely subjected to senseless torture, brutalization, and even mass executions.

好吧，ISIS对他们的任何囚犯都不“温和”。诚然，他们可能不会强奸任何男性囚犯，但男性囚犯绝对会遭受无谓的酷刑、野蛮甚至大规模处决。

So yes, if female soldiers were to be captured by ISIS, they would probably have to endure torture akin to their male counterparts… although possibly different in nature (yes they would likely be at risk of getting raped).

是的，如果女兵被ISIS俘虏，她们很可能不得不忍受类似于男性士兵的折磨……尽管性质可能不同(是的，她们可能忍受被强奸的风险。

Murray H.G. Paterson, 42 years in viticulture, 47 in the wine industry
Answered Mar 22, 2017
Yes.
And not only ISIS.
War brings out both the best and worst in people - of all nations. In all nations there will always be the people who will happily perform the concentration camp guards; happily perform torture (to even the most awe-full degree). I need only cite the guards at Abu Ghraib … both men and women involved in uncivilised behaviour - but from the US Army - which included sexual humiliation ……………

是的，的确如此（被强奸）
而且不仅仅是ISIS会如此。
不伦哪个国家，战争都给人民带来了最好的和最坏的东西。总有一些人会很高兴地执行集中营警卫的任务，并乐于实施酷刑。 开心地（对敌人）执行可怕的折磨(甚至达到了最令人敬畏的程度)。引用阿布格莱布警卫的话说……无论男女，包括美国士兵在内都参与了不文明的行为----其中包括性羞辱…

Add to this the stress of battle and the need to dominate an enemy’s populace by any means. Rape is just one of those means - as well as relieving the emotional stress of the soldier.
It was one of the main “fears” that restrained the use of females in front line troops.

再加上战斗的压力和以任何手段控制敌人人民的需要。强奸只是其中之一--还可减轻士兵的情绪压力。这是限制女性在前线部队使用的主要“恐惧”之一。

Only with much longer term experience will we be able to judge whether it is really true. I suspect that just as women have had sexual harassment in their own armies/navies/air forces, when the stresses of war are added then it may well become much worse - even against a “civilised” foe.

只有经过长期的检验，我们才能判断这是否是真的。我怀疑，就像女性在自己的军队/海军/空军中也会受到性骚扰一样，作为战争代价的一部分，你的压力是不断增加的，然后它很可能会变得更糟--即使是对抗一个“文明”的敌人。

Sarath, former Paratrooper
Answered Aug 19
Definitely. That risk comes along with many other risks which those brave woman know, but still are willing to wear the uniform.
In army there is no gender, and in war there is no human
War cannot be gentle to anybody. Women troops will have to face the same challenges that men face and something extra. Because every woman has that weakness. There is a 70 percent chance of them being sexually abused, if caught by a brutal terrorist organisation like ISIS.

绝对是。这种风险伴随着许多其他的风险，这些勇敢的女人都知道，但仍然愿意穿上制服。军队里没有性别，战争中没有人类。战争不可能对任何人温和。女性部队将不得不面对与男性同样乃至额外的挑战。因为每个女人都有这种弱点。如果被像ISIS这样的残暴恐怖组织抓住，他们有70%的机会被性虐待。

Kevin Oliver, From a military family and have studied military history all my life.
Answered Mar 22, 2017
When captured by a brutal, debased, and unlawful enemy like Daesh, all soldiers male or female are likely to be brutalised.
People do not like to discuss it, but rape has been a common way of degrading captured enemies throughout history. Especially in societies where women are regarded as inferior: by using your enemy for sex, you deprive him of his status as a man and a warrior and reduce him to a “mere” woman.

当被像Daesh这样的野蛮、堕落和非法的敌人俘虏时，所有的士兵，无论是男性还是女性，都有可能被残忍地对待。人们不喜欢讨论这个问题，但强奸是历史上普遍存在的侮辱被俘敌人的方式。尤其是在女性被视为低人一等的社会：通过性侵你的敌人，你剥夺了他作为一个战士的地位，并把他贬低为一个“纯粹”的女人。

Cave Bumstead, Operations Manager at Transplace - The 3PL & Technology Company (2015-present)
Answered Mar 22, 2017
They frequently cut people's heads off while they live. I don't mean with an axe or a guillotine either. I mean with a large knife. It takes a while since they have to saw and chop to get through the spine, but the victim is alive for the vast majority of it. I've seen it.
My point is, most Soldiers, male or female keep an extra round or grenade on hand to ensure that they aren't alive to be captured because if you are, rape is the least of your problems.

他们经常在人活着的时候砍掉他们的头。我不是说用斧头或断头台。我是说用一把大刀。他们需要一段时间才能（把头）完全砍掉 但大部分受害者都还活着。我看过了这些。我的观点是，大多数士兵，无论是男性还是女性，都会随身携带一枚额外的子弹或手榴弹，以确保他们不会活着被抓，因为如果是的话，强奸是你最小的问题。

Will Beaurepaire
Answered Aug 11
Simple to answer really.. what did ISIS do to Yazidi (Zoroastrian), Christian, Shiite Muslim and Kurdish women it captured?
You’re dealing with an iron age interpretation of a religion founded by a group of warlords who already had a reputation in a brutal world of being particularly cruel (Roman and Persian views on the Bedouin of their day were very negative, which says a lot when they themselves had some horrific rituals and practices). It’s not going to be pretty, and neither were some interpretations of Christianity 500+ years ago (albeit at this time, Christianity was living under the shadow of Islamic swords and constant fear of invasion and enslavement, etc). either way, ISIS is based upon the Bedouin culture of 1000 years ago.

答案很简单...ISIS对它捕获的Yazidi(琐罗亚斯德教)、基督教、什叶派穆斯林和库尔德妇女做了什么？你所面对的是铁器时代对一种宗教的诠释，这种宗教是由一群军阀创立的，他们在残酷的世界中已经享有特别残酷的声誉(罗马和波斯人对彼此的看法)。 他们那个时代的爱德华是非常消极的，当他们自己有一些可怕的仪式和实践时，这就说明了许多问题)。它不会很漂亮，对克里斯蒂安尼的一些解释也是如此 500年前(尽管此时，基督教生活在伊斯兰剑的阴影下，不断的对入侵和奴役等问题感到恐惧)。无论怎样，ISIS都是以1000年前的贝都因文化为基础的。

Lee Selkirk, former International Management Consultant (1974-1996)
Updated Aug 17
Absolutely. Because of the cultural separation of the sexes in traditional Muslim societies, their males are utterly obsessed with sex. If any non-Muslim female falls into their hands, they can expect only the most sexually degrading and repulsive treatment. The fact that Mohammed specifically approves of rape in such circumstances is yet another reason that Islam is a political document first and only latterly a religious book.

绝对是。在传统的穆斯林社会中，由于性别的文化隔离，他们的男性完全痴迷于性。如果任何非穆斯林女性落入她们的手中，她们可以期待的只有最有辱人格和最令人厌恶的待遇。穆罕默德在这种情况下特别赞成强奸的事实，是伊斯兰教首先是一份政治文件，后来也是唯一一本宗教书籍的另一个原因。

ISIS is a 100% Saudi Wahhabi creature and treats women more brutally than Mo set out as acceptable. Any captured ISIS ‘fighters’ should be executed out of hand: they are beyond redemption.ISIS

ISIS100%都是沙特的瓦哈比人，对待女性的态度比Mo所认为的更残忍。任何被俘的ISIS‘战士’都应该立即被处决：他们是无法救赎的。

Sinan Ozeren, works at Istanbul Technical University
Answered Mar 22, 2017
Under war conditions ANYTHING can happen to ANYONE, male or female. However in case of ISIS this is particularly true. A group of brutes who enjoy putting people in a cage and drawn them in a swimming pool and then broadcast this on the internet is capable of doing ANYTING, I do not think the gender matters at all.

在战争条件下，任何事情都可能发生在任何人身上，无论是男性还是女性。然而，在面对ISIS时，这是特别真实的。一群畜生们很喜欢把人关在笼子里，让他们在游泳池里游到精疲力，然后在网络上播放这个。他们可以做任何事情，我认为性别问题一点也不重要。

Garrett Stock, Graduated High School, visited Rome, Florence, and Athens.
Answered Mar 23, 2017
Here is the thing: Men and Women are equal. Not just on paper, but in life as well.
Women can be abused. Men can be abused. While it is true that men are generally less vulnerable and larger built than women, this is not universal nor does it dictate anything once true talent comes into play.
Isis doesn't exactly have standards, if youve seen literally any of it’s collective actions in the region. All you need to assault a prisoner is a stick. Women, of course, are in danger of being sexually assaulted, but so are men. If you were to for some reason or another be captured by isis, i would firmly recommend fighting to the death or killing yourself.

事情是这样的：男人和女人是平等的。不仅纸面上，而且在生活中也是如此。妇女可以被虐待。男人可以被虐待。虽然男人通常比女人更易受伤害和伤害更大，但这并不是普遍的，这并不是普遍的，一旦真正的天赋发挥作用，它不会支配任何东西。
如果你真的看到过ISIS在该地区采取的任何集体行动，那么（你就知道）ISIS并没有具体的标准。他只需要一根棍子就能攻击一个囚犯。当然，不光女性有成为性（nu）的危险，男人也如此。 如果你因为某种原因被ISIS俘虏，我会坚定地建议你去战斗，要么死要么自杀。

Howard C. Berkowitz, A few decades as a student of, and consultant, esp. C3ISR; wrote much on Wikis
Answered Aug 11 · Upvoted by Joel Postma, In the Navy twice. First as an Avionics Technician. The second time as a Seabee. and Mario Stradale, I was a Lance Missile Section Commander in the Italian Army
During the Iraq War, then-Major Rhonda Cornum, a physician, was shot down on a combat search and rescue mission. She was captured by the Iraqis, but, on orders of her higher command, did not then mention her oral, vaginal, and anal rapes, while both of her arms were broken. Subsequently, she commented that worse things could have happened.
She retired as a brigadier general in charge of resilience training for the Army.

在伊拉克战争期间，当时的医生朗达·科努姆少校在战斗搜救任务中被击落。她被伊拉克人俘虏了，她被伊拉克人抓获，但在上级命令下，她没有提到她的口、yin道和肛门被强X，而她的两只胳膊都被折断了。后来，她发言说还发生了更糟的事。
她退休时担任陆军复原力训练的准将。

Lebur Qasa, AS Psychiatric Nursing, Colleges and Universities (2013)
Updated Jun 5, 2017
Rape is always wrong no matter where it happens.
Here is some reality that people don’t talk about:
ISIS is not gentle with men either. Look at all the beheadings and throat cuttings of thousands of men live on screen that they do. This is what men have to endure. They get tortured and go through a lot too. In fact far worse than the women have to endure.

强奸无论发生在哪里，都是错误的。以下是一些人们不愿谈论的现实：ISIS对男性也不温和。看看数千名活生生的男子在屏幕上被斩首和割开喉咙。这是男人必须忍受的。他们会被长时间的折磨。事实上，那比女人们所忍受的还要糟糕得多。

If female soldiers don’t want to get captured by ISIS then they shouldn’t put themselves in that war zone if they don’t want to get violated sexually. A man will take the womans place. He won’t get raped sexually, but he will get far worse -severely tortured, starved, a limb or two chopped off and/or his throat slit or head cut off instead.
Women being brutalized? Well, its not nearly as common as when it happens to men out there.

如果女士兵不想被ISIS俘虏，不想受到性侵犯，那么就不应该把自己放在战区里。男人会取代女人的位置。他不会被强奸，但会受到更严重的酷刑、饥饿、肢体或从中间的切断和/或他的喉咙缝隙或头被切断。

The moment a person, no matter their gender, enters the battlefield they are supposed to be and must be equals straight across the board. No special treatment. They must take a bullet, get maimed and die all the same. If women on the battlefield get special attention from the men, then the women are a liability and can get people killed.

当一个人，无论他们的性别为何，一旦进入战场，他们应该是，而且必须全部都是平等的，没有特殊待遇。他们必须挨一颗子弹，受伤。死也一样。如果战场上的女人得到男人的特别关注，那么女人就是一种负担，会让人丧命。

Women (next to medics and officers) are also at risk of being targeted because the enemy will intentionally shoot the female soldier to lure the men out of hiding to her rescue. It is then that the enemy will shoot the men. If it were a man, it’s not the same. Men are less inclined to do so, right away or never, depending on the situation.

妇女(在医护人员和军官旁边)也面临被攻击的危险，因为敌人会故意向女士兵开枪以诱使这些躲藏起来的男子营救她。这时敌人就会开枪打死这些人。如果是男人，那就不一样了。根据情况，男人不太愿意这样做，不管是现在还是永远都不这样做。

This war strategy was a serious issue during, for instance, the Iran-Iraq war when women in great numbers were used in battle compared to today.

这一战争战略是一个严重的问题，例如与今天相比，在两伊战争期间有大量妇女被用于战斗。

Women should not and cannot have no more rights on the battlefield than men. They are soldiers and nothing else. If they can’t deal with that fact then they don’t have any business being there in the first place.

妇女在战场上不应该也不可能拥有比男子更多的权利。他们是士兵而不是别的什么。如果他们不能处理这一事实，那么他们首先，从一开始就没有任何在那里。

James Rosten, lived in The United States of America
Answered Apr 11, 2017
This worry is totally justified. Homosexual rape would be unheard of or at least very rare in ISIS, but sexual exploitation of females for personal gratification is in their recruiting materials!

这种担心是完全有道理的。同性恋强奸在ISIS中是闻所未闻的，或者至少是非常罕见的，但是为了个人的满足对女性的性剥削都有出现在她们的招募材料中！

For this reason, a woman who might be deployed to such a place should be informed of exactly what she could be facing, and either trained to handle it, or consider another means of service.
But really, in this day and age, are you going to tell “Sally” she can’t enlist?

因此，可能被派往这种地方的女性应被告知她可能面临的确切情况，并接受处理这一问题的培训，或考虑另一种服务方式。但真的，在这个时代，你会去告诉萨利（某女子名，此处可能指代某个认识的女性朋友），她不能入伍吗？

Let me just say, that if my sister had heard that a female soldier had been sexually abused after being captured by the other side, these people would be better off meeting Satan than her.

我只想说，如果我姐姐听说一名女兵在被俘后受到性虐待，这些人最好祈祷见到的是撒旦而不是好。

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