按照特朗普的移民标准,他的妻子梅拉尼娅•特朗普可能面临驱逐 [美国媒体]

reddit网友:无论你是靠非法入境还是凭旅游签证来美国的,法律都是一样的:你不能工作。你没有合法的签证。法律不允许你找工作。非法入境美国和有“双重意向”,即永久居民意向和临时居民意向(正如梅拉尼娅所做的)是没什么两样的。在这件事上没有轻重程度可言......

Melania Trump Could Face Being Deported under President Trump's Administration Standards

按照特朗普的移民标准,他的妻子梅拉尼娅•特朗普可能面临驱逐




flxtr
Maybe that’s the plan...

或许这就是特朗普的计划。。。。。。

T3hoofs 
Trump could then sleep with all the pornstars he wants (in his mind).

那么特朗普就可以和所有他喜欢的色情明星(在他头脑中)在一起了。

demagogueffxiv 
I think this would be the ultimate irony..

我觉得这是一个最大的讽刺。

wwwhistler 
“the government will have the opportunity to denaturalize anyone they want.”
any time they might find it convenient. they want that fear in the forefront of any naturalized citizen's thoughts..."we can send you back for any reason. so do as you are told."

“政府将有机会剥夺任何人的公民身份。”无论什么时候他们都会觉得这很方便。
他们希望这种恐惧感牢牢存在于任何有合法身份的公民心中。
“我们可以有一万个理由把你遣送回去。所以让你怎么做你就怎么做”。

AmorDeCosmos97 
Sooo not going to happen, but so justified in pointing out the irony.

这真的不会发生,但有人指出这其中的讽刺,也是很合理的。

miked003 
Maybe if they got divorced..? Which is obviously not out of the question.

也许如果他们离婚的话?显然这也不是不可能。

Sylvester_Scott  
She's covered under the special "THOT exception."

她是特例。

smacksaw 
I've posted this in other threads...also tl;dr

我之前在其它帖子也有提到这个问题,太长了网友们都看不下去。

So anyway, this has always been the case. This isn't Trump's standards. It's been clear for a long time that if you lie on your citizenship application, it's considered fraud. And if you have been here illegally? Also fraud.

好吧,不管怎样,情况会一直如此。这不是特朗普的标准。很长时间里人们都清楚,如果你在公民身份申请上撒谎,那就会被认为是欺诈行为。如果你是非法来到这里的?还是欺诈行为。

That's why the DACA thing is so frustrating for me because the right are complaining that these people are lawbreakers and going to get citizenship. Well, in a way they're right: under the way we have created the law, lawbreakers should not get citizenship.

这就是为什么童年抵美者暂缓遣返事件让我这么沮丧的原因,因为美国右翼分子抱怨这些人是犯法的,却想取得公民身份。嗯,在某种程度上他们是对的:在我们创造的法律看来,犯法的人是不能得到公民身份的。

The problem is that we aren't applying the law equally and fairly.
When that happens? You have a law that needs to be looked at again.
Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I thought Trump would change his mind on "technically illegal and not a big deal" for DREAMers because Melania falls under the same criteria.

问题是我们并没有平等而公正地应用法律。
什么时候有过吗?那你的法律需要重新审视一下了。
也许我是悲观的,但我认为特朗普会改变他的想法,认为那些追梦者“严格来说是非法的,但也不是犯了什么大事”,因为梅拉尼娅也在这一标准之下。

Whether you cross the border illegally or come here on a tourist visa, the law is the same: you can't work. You do not possess a visa. You don't have permission to work. Coming here illegally and having "dual intent" (which is what Melania did) is the same. There's no degrees of it. You simply cannot work without authorisation. It's illegal and it's enough to ensure you cannot get permanent residency, let alone citizenship.

无论你是靠非法入境还是凭旅游签证来美国的,法律都是一样的:你不能工作。你没有合法的签证。法律不允许你找工作。非法入境美国和有“双重意向”,即永久居民意向和临时居民意向(正如梅拉尼娅所做的)是没什么两样的。在这件事上没有轻重程度可言。没有授权你就不能工作。这是违法的,单凭这一项就足以让你没法获得永久居留权,更不用说公民身份了。

Now Trump would argue that she was "just modelling" or that it was only a trivial thing to get her a work permit. That is true.
The issue is that it's not a trivial thing to get a work permit for people who are picking our citrus and digging food out of the ground. The reason the laws don't work is that we don't write them to work. All we have are literally draconian, black and white interpretations.

现在特朗普会争辩说她只是“模特”,或者,为她拿到一张工作许可证也只是件小事。这是真的。
问题是,为那些采摘柑橘和从地里挖食物的人拿到工作许可证可不容易。法律不起作用的原因是我们没有写明有允许这些人工作。我们所拥有的就是近乎严苛的白纸黑字而已。

Make it easier for visitors to apply for work permits in-land. If you're here as a visitor and someone asks you to work, let's sell a temporary visa that allows that. Let's get a fully functional guest worker program. Let's welcome in migrant labour on a temporary, seasonal basis and then send them back home.

让游客更容易申请到美国的工作许可证吧。如果你是来这里旅游的,并且有人要雇用你工作,那我们就卖给你一张允许你工作的临时签证啊。让我们为外籍工作者做一个机制完善的项目吧。让我们以临时、季节性的方式欢迎外来劳动力,然后再把他们送回家。

See, this stuff is illegal because the law says so, not because the law makes sense/is ethical/moral/practical.
We need to totally revamp immigration. Local cities and counties should set their needs and the federal government facilitates/enforces it. If you need people to pick strawberries and can prove there's no one to do it, you get to get immigrants to come in and do it.

所以说啊,这些东西是违法的,因为法律是这么讲的,而不是因为法律是有道理的、合乎伦理道德的,亦或是实际的。
我们需要彻底改变对待移民的方式。地方县市应该提出要求,由联邦政府来跟进落实。如果你需要人们采摘草莓并能够证明没有人来做的话,你就可以让移民来做这件事。

Immigration should be handled on a local basis. If some town in the midwest is bleeding people, they should be able to use a larger allotment of available yearly immigration allowances than say...California. And do it like the Swiss - you can live and work where you are permitted. Once you get permanent residency, then you can go where you please. Immigration has to be expanded so that it works, but also controlled by local communities so it isn't displacing workers. Even in California it would work because IT people wouldn't be excited to give up their jobs to H-1Bs from India.

移民问题应在当地处理。如果中西部的一些城市正在榨取人们的金钱,那么人们每年应该得到更多的移民津贴。就像瑞士一样,你可以在允许的地方生活和工作。一旦你获得永久居留权,那么你喜欢去什么地方都可以。移民人数必须扩大,这样国家才能运作,但也应由当地社区管控,这样移民就不能取代本土工人。即使在加利福尼亚,这种做法也是可行的,因为IT从业者不会乐于因为H-1B工作签证而放弃工作回印度的。

And let's tax these permits. Tax them so we can have refugee courts at every port of entry so we can adjudicate refugee claims within 48 hours and either accept or return people.
Isn't it amazing how much immigration goes on, yet we have no order? The government spends countless dollars and they could be actually letting 12m workers in who are here illegally and TAX them and make them pay for permits? Know where they are because local communities have to keep track of them!

而且让我们对这些许可证进行征税。对申请许可证的人征税,这样我们就可以在每个入境口岸设立难民法庭,那么我们就可以在48小时内处理难民请求,判决是接受还是遣返难民。
移民人数不断增加,但我们却没有一个有序的状态,这难道不令人吃惊吗?政府为此花了无数美元,实际上政府是可以让1200万非法移民得到工作,并对他们收税,让他们交钱得到工作许可的。为什么不呢?我们知道这些移民在哪里,因为当地社区必须跟踪他们!

Once you realise that no Republican or Democrat is really serious about immigration reform, you see why they write these black and white laws. It's divisive. It's supposed to anger us and divide us. They don't want us talking about practical solutions.

一旦你意识到共和党人或民主党人都不是真的在认真对待移民改革的时候,你就会明白他们为什么要白纸黑字写这些法律了。因为这是分裂性的。这可能激怒并分裂我们。他们不希望我们谈论实际的解决方案。

The GOP sees 12m illegal aliens and sees a problem. I see an opportunity to make money. The Democrats sees 12m illegal aliens and sees a political wedge. I see a humanitarian crisis. We need to be practical and have a heart. And yes, that means forgiving Melania and everyone else like her who lied.

共和党人把这1200万无证移民看作是一个问题。而我认为是一个赚钱的机会。民主党人把这1200万无证移民看作是一个政治分歧。而我认为是一个人道主义危机。我们需要务实一点,也需要讲点情理。是的,这意味着宽恕梅拉尼娅和其他像她一样说谎的人。

Shigoto_Gongzuo 
This is the best post I have seen written on this site about immigration. Nailed it completely.

这是我见过的关于移民问题最好的回答。完全搞定。