民调显示，德国人想让特朗普将驻德美军撤离 [美国媒体]

Germans want Donald Trump to pull US troopsout of Germany, poll finds

民调显示，德国人想让特朗普将驻德美军撤离



Germans would actually welcome thewithdrawal of American troops stationed in their country, a new poll has found– as Donald Trump threatens to pull the plug on military support.The finding comes on the first day of aNato summit in which the US president is urging Europe to spend more on defenceif it wants to continue to receive American military protection.But far from being seen as a threat, aYouGov poll for the dpa news agency found that more Germans would welcome thedeparture of the 35,000-strong American force than would oppose it.42 per cent said they supported withdrawalwhile just 37 per cent wanted the soldiers to stay, with 21 per cent undecided.Last month the US media reported that theUS government was in the process of assessing the cost of keeping troops inGermany ahead of a possible withdrawal, citing Pentagon sources.But the policy of actually pulling out ofthe country has not actually reached the negotiating table in his week’sBrussels summit and is not expected to be discussed as a possibility – for now.The cause of US withdrawal enjoyssignificant support from across the political spectrum in Germany but isparticularly strong with the supporters of certain parties.The United States continues to devote moreresources to the defence of Europe when the Continent’s economy, includingGermany’s, are doing well and security challenges abound. This is no longersustainable for usDonald Trump in letter to Angela MerkelVoters for the left-wing Die Linke areparticularly in favour of withdrawal, with 67 per cent backing it, as aresupporters of the far-right AfD, on 55 per cent. Greens also back withdrawal by48 per cent.Less supportive of withdrawal are votersfor the centre-right CDU, at 35 per cent, the SPD at 42 per cent, and the FDPat 37 per cent.The same poll also found significantopposition to militarism in general in the country. Just 15 per cent of allGermans agree with Angela Merkel that the country should increase its militaryspending to 2 per cent of GDP by 2024, with 36 per cent saying the country'salready spends too much on its military.Mr Trump warned Angela Merkel and otherEuropean leaders in leaked letters last month that there was “growingfrustration in the United States that some allies have not stepped up aspromised” on defence spending.“The United States continues to devote moreresources to the defence of Europe when the Continent’s economy, includingGermany’s, are doing well and security challenges abound. This is no longersustainable for us,” he said.US Representative to Nato Kay BaileyHutchison has however struck a softer tone ahead of the Brussels meeting,stating ahead of the summit that “every one of our allies are alreadyincreasing defence spending”.US troops have been stationed in Germanysince the Second World War and the country has the second largest militarypresence after Japan, which has also been home to US bases since the sameconflict.There are between 30 and 40 US militarybases in Germany, a significant reduction from the 200-300 that were locatedthere until the end of the cold war.

一项新的民意调查显示，德国人实际上会欢迎驻扎在他们国家的美军撤离——唐纳德·特朗普威胁要取消军事支援。这一民调公布于北约峰会的第一天，美国总统敦促欧洲如果想继续接受美国的军事保护，就得在国防上投入更多资金。但是这话丝毫没被视为威胁，德新社的YouGo民调显示，德国人会更欢迎35,000名美军的离开，而不是将他们留下。42％的受访者表示他们支持撤军，而只有37％的受访者希望士兵留下来，其中21％未作决定。据美国五角大楼消息人士称，上个月美国媒体报道美国政府正在评估在可能的撤军之前，于德国部署军队的成本。但实际撤出德国的政策并没有到达于本周召开的布鲁塞尔峰会的谈判桌上，而且预计将不会作为一种目前的可能性来进行讨论。美国的退出得到了德国政治领域的大力支持，某些政党的支持者尤为强烈。唐纳德·特朗普致安吉拉·默克尔的信中写道，“包括德国在内的欧洲大陆经济表现良好，而安全挑战比比皆是。对我们来说，美国继续投入更多资源来保护欧洲已不再可持续。”德国左党的选民特别支持撤军，有67％的支持者。极右翼民主党AfD的撤军支持率为55％，德国绿党为48％。中右翼党派基民盟的选民中撤军支持率较低，为35％，社民党为42％，自由民主党为37％。同样的民意调查还显示德国普遍反对军国主义。只有15％的德国人同意安格拉·默克尔的观点，即该国应该在2024年之前将其军费增加到国内生产总值的2％，其中36％的人表示德国已经在军队上花费得太多了。上个月泄露的信件显示，特朗普曾警告安吉拉·默克尔和其他欧洲领导人，“美国越来越感到失望，因为一些盟友没有按照承诺的那样加强防务支出”。“包括德国在内的欧洲大陆经济表现良好，而安全挑战比比皆是。对我们来说，美国继续投入更多资源来保护欧洲已不再可持续。”他说道。然而，在布鲁塞尔会议之前，美国驻北约代表Kay Bailey Hutchison表示了温和的态度，在峰会开始前说，“我们的每个盟友都在增加国防开支。”自第二次世界大战以来，美军一直驻扎在德国。美军在德国拥有仅次于日本的第二大军事存在，日本自二战结束以来一直是美军基地的所在。德国有30到40个美军基地，从冷战结束的200-300个大幅减少到目前水平。 DKWhen can westart?我们什么时候能开始？（应该是个老美） JustinYesterday.Germany doesn't need your money.昨天。德国不需要你的臭钱。

Jesse2013Trump is inthe pocket of Russia. Their plan is for Trump to weaken the US Economy, destroyUS military ties to Europe so Russia can take over the liberated countries thatthe Soviet Union had in its Orbit. Russia wants all those countries back,including Ukraine. Russia wants Trump to divide Americans. TRUMP is succeedingon all counts.

特朗普在俄罗斯操控之中。他们的计划是通过特朗普来削弱美国经济，破坏美国和欧洲的军事关系，以便俄罗斯能接管那些从苏联独立出来的国家。俄罗斯想把所有这些国家要回去，包括乌克兰。韦罗斯希望特朗普分裂美国人。特朗普在所有方面都取得了成功。

Jeane LuneJustin, itis not about money. It is about the threat of Russia.Justin，这不是钱的问题。这关乎俄罗斯的威胁。 StanleyGermanydon't need the U.S money. The euro is far stronger than the American dollar.Also......American banks are backed by the Germany.

德国不需要美国的钱。欧元比美元强劲的多。而且，美国银行的后台是德国。

Steve@Jesse2013you are such a moron.@Jesse2013你真是个傻子。 hit_the_couchWe've beenpulling troops out of Germany for years. They pulled quite a few out when thearmy started its BRAC (base alignment and closure) back in '05.

我们一直在从德国撤军。在05年进行基线调整和关闭时撤走了不少军队。

anonOffer accepted!成交！ guyfawkesThe United States has met the target, anddedicated 3.36 percent of GDP (around $664 billion, according to NATO figures)to military spending in 2016. Imagine what we could do with that $664 billionhere in America.

美国已经达到了目标，在2016年将GDP的3.36%（根据北约数据约为6440亿美元）用于军费开支。想象一下，我们可以将这6440亿美元用在国内做多少事情。

MMThe US Defense Budget has nothing to dowith any NATO budget.Not only that but the US only wastes UStaxdollars.US does have almost a whole squadron ofF35s not that they are combat ready ofcourse. So US with it's overbudget and 10years behind schedual actually makes NATO weaker. 100s of billions of US taxdollars and? WellUS somehow ordered 30+ Zumwalts and 50+ LCS which should be all in the waterready for combat. And what did you get? Yup all the money went poof on R&Dwith 2 failed classes of ships. USS FORD? 12 billion and it doesnt even work. 3years overdue and 7 more to go.Stop being the weak link in NATO and stopimagining. NATO demands the US puts up with actual military hardware. CGI andR&D won't do anything in actual combat.The annual Index of Military Strenghtreport to US Congress? US military is weak to very weak.Sorry this is unacceptable to NATO. Onlystrong members allowed.

美国的国防预算与一切北约预算无关。不仅如此，美国只是在浪费美国的税收。美国确实拥有几乎整个F35中队，但并不是说它们已经做好战斗准备了。美国的预算超标且落后10年，实际上使北约变得更弱。美国100亿美元的税收呢？美国莫名其妙地订购了30多艘朱姆沃尔特级驱逐舰和50+艘的濒海战斗舰，这些船现在都应该下水做好战斗准备了。实际上呢？所有的钱都用去研究和开发这两种失败的船去了。福特号航母？花了120亿，甚至还不能用。逾期3年，还要7年。求求美国别再成为北约的薄弱环节了，停止瞎想。 北约要求美国提供实际的军事硬件。 CGI动画和“研究与开发”在实战中没有任何用处。美国国会的年度军事力量报告？美国军队怎一个弱字了得。对不起，北约不接受弱者，只接纳强大的成员。

NaishAs long as the Republinuts are in chargethe 664 billion rounded up to 1.5 trillion would be sent directly to theirbuddies in wall street.

只要共和党呆瓜掌权，6640亿美元就会被四舍五入成1.5万亿美元然后送给他们在华尔街的朋友们。

Eric1I remember whan the US had HUNDREDS OFTHOUSANDS of troops in Germany back in the 1980's. I also remember that whenthe Cold War ended, MANY Germans protested our LEAVING Germany! As for thepresent, most of what is still in Germany is logistics, headquarters, medical,and airbases. Given the nature of the current 'strategic envorinment,' it wouldprobably be a GOOD idea to move a lot of this to Poland, as the Poles arepulling out of their old Warsaw Pact bases that were along their Western borderwith Germany, and have been moving to new bases along their Eastern border withUkraine/Belorus. That means facilities , barracks, motoor pools, trainingareas, airbases etc, etc, are all readily available for us to move into, shouldthe Poles and other Baltic nations permit it. NO need to stay in Germany, and ibelieve the Polish people would WELCOME our presence as a 'backstop' to theirown defensive arrangements.

我记得在20世纪80年代，美国在德国驻扎有成千上万的军队。我还记得冷战结束时，许多德国人抗议“离开德国！”至于现在，还留在德国的美军大部分是物流部门、指挥部门、医疗部门和空军基地的人员。考虑到目前的“战略环境”，将他们转移到波兰是个不错的主意。波兰人正从他们与德国接壤的西边境的华约基地中撤离，转移到东边境的乌克兰和白俄罗斯那块儿。这意味着如果波兰人和其他波罗的海国家允许的话，美军可以随时进入那里的设施、营房、车辆调配场、训练区、空军基地等，不必留在德国。我相信波兰人会欢迎我们作为他们的“国防后援”。

JayAs a Military Veteran, I was stationedthere from 2007-2010. Trust me, the Germans absolutely loved all the U.S. moneyinjected into their economy. Servicemembers would buy their vehicles and payrents that were at least 30% higher than a German citizen would.

作为一个退伍军人，我2007年至2010年驻扎在德国。相信我，德国人非常渴望美国向他们注入的资金。美军服役人员会买他们的车辆，并且比德国公民多给30%的租金。

TanaI understand why we want troops stationedthere. I also support pulling the troops out. My husband was stationed there,in the 80s, in the Air Force. It was a vacation for him. Anyway, if Germanydoesn't want us there, we should pull out.

我理解我们为何在那里驻有军队，也支持撤出军队。我的丈夫80年代驻扎在那的空军基地，对他来说等于休假。无论如何，如果德国不希望我们继续待在那里，我们就该离开。

beneRe-position US troops and facilities insupportive NATO member sites.

把美军人员和设备重新部署到需要支援的北约成员那里去。

Comammmm NATO Members don’t want any Americanbased stationner in there countries... the best is to bring everybody home...we already spent so much in the Middle East for nothing!emmm

北约成员不希望那里有任何美军基地……最好是将所有人带回家……我们已经在中东花了太多钱了！

scott w.Nothing new. I was stationed in Germany andItaly in the 80’s. On my apartment wall was painted “Regan Leave !!” So forlast 30 years Europeans wanted us to leave.

太阳底下无新事。我80年代驻扎在德国和意大利。我公寓的墙上画着“里根滚蛋！！”过去30年里欧洲人都在想要我们离开。

AnonymousSo, they 'hate' us and our servicemen so'much' that several hundred thousand German, Italian, and English women havemarried our men and moved to the USA. Also, they have remained steadfastmilitary, political, and economic allies ever since. A sure sign they 'hate'us.

他们“如此讨厌”我们和我们的军人是因为成千上万的德国、意大利、英国女人和我们的小伙子结婚并搬去了美国。而且自驻军以后，他们一直都是我们坚定的军事、政治和经济上的盟友。真是“讨厌”呢。

CaiThe Germans haven’t liked the ‘Amies’ intheir country since the end of WWII. It reminds the people everyday of whatthey did. They also don’t like the internment camp memorials.

自二战结束以来，德国人一直不喜欢他们国家里的“军队”。它每天都提醒着德国人他们曾经做过的事情。就像他们不喜欢集中营纪念馆一样。

Black OpsNo need to stay where we aren't wanted. Agood way to save a ton of money as well...

我们没必要呆在那。这也是个省钱的好法子。

UZThat is the attitude we had after WW1. Thelessons learned after WW2 created NATO. Those who forget history will repeat itdoes not apply. We are now so stupid that we know history and will still repeatit.

我们一战后也是这么想的。二战的经验教训创造出了北约，而忘记历史的人会说这是老黄历了。我们真愚蠢，明明知道历史，还在重复犯以前犯过的错

Ken JSo they can fire up their ovens again.

那德国又可以开始杀人放火了。

StoptimeI can believe that. I was stationed inJapan in the 1960s and there were demonstrations outside my base against theViet Nam War and for the removal of the American military presence in Japan.In truth we have never been fully wanted byall the population in any country.Would you want foreign soldiers stationedin the USA?

我认为这可行。我20世纪60年代驻扎在日本，在基地外经常有反对越南战争和反对美国在日本军事存在的示威活动。事实上我们从未被任何国家的人完全接纳过。你想有外国军队驻扎在美国吗？
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