缴纳14亿美元罚款后，美国解除对中国中兴的禁令 [美国媒体]

U.S. Lifts Ban on China's ZTE After $1.4 Billion Penalty

缴纳14亿美元罚款后，美国解除对中国中兴的禁令



-Commerce move clears way for company to resume business
-Telecom-equipment maker had been cut off from U.S. suppliers

——商业活动扫清了道路，公司恢复了业务
——电信设备制造商被切断了与美国供应商的联系

The U.S. Commerce Department has lifted the ban on American firms selling products to China’s ZTE Corp., removing the final hurdle for the company to start rebuilding its business.

美国商务部已经解除了关于美国公司对中国中兴禁售的禁令，从而消除了该公司开始重建其业务的最后障碍。

The ban was removed after ZTE paid the final tranche of a $1.4 billion penalty by placing $400 million in escrow at a U.S. bank, the department said in an emailed statement on Friday. That sum comes in addition to $892 million in penalties the telecommunications-equipment maker has paid to the U.S. government after pleading guilty to violating sanctions, it said.

商务部上周五在一份电子邮件声明中表示，在中兴支付了最后一笔14亿美元的罚款后，该禁令被取消。该部门在一家美国银行安排了4亿美元的第三方托管。该部门表示，这一数字不包括这家电信设备制造商在承认违反（对伊、朝）制裁后向美国政府支付的8.92亿美元罚款。

Removing the ban on ZTE was a key Chinese government demand amid escalating tensions between the world’s two largest economies. While those talks have stalled since the last high-level meeting in June, the U.S. and China have indicated their willingness to go back to the negotiating table. Neither is saying exactly what that would take.

在全球最大的两个经济体之间的紧张关系不断加剧之际，取消对中兴的禁令是中国政府的一个重要要求。尽管自6月上次高级别会议以来，这些谈判已陷入停滞，但美国和中国已表示愿意回到谈判桌前。他们也没有明确表示会采取什么做法。

The Trump administration in April announced a seven-year ban on U.S. exports to ZTE after it said the company violated sanctions agreements by selling American technology to Iran and North Korea. The move forced ZTE to announce it was shutting down.

今年4月，在声称该公司向伊朗和朝鲜出售美国技术违反了制裁协议后，特朗普政府宣布对中兴实施长达7年的出口禁令。此举迫使中兴宣布将关闭。

President Donald Trump reversed course in May, saying he was reconsidering penalties on ZTE as a personal favor to Chinese President Xi Jinping. Later that month, his administration announced it would allow the company to stay in business after paying a new fine, changing its management and providing “high-level security guarantees.”

今年5月，美国总统唐纳德•特朗普改弦易辙，称他正在重新考虑对中兴进行处罚，并将其视为对中国国家主席的个人恩惠。当月晚些时候，他的政府宣布，将允许该公司在支付新罚款、改变管理并提供“高层安全保障”后继续营业。

ZTE said it would “set out with full confidence” after the U.S. lifted the ban, according to a Weibo post. Li Shuo, a spokeswoman for ZTE, didn’t respond to two mobile phone calls out of business hours.

中兴表示，在美国解除禁令后，它将“满怀信心地出发”。中兴的发言人李硕没有回复记者在营业时间内打过去的两个电话。

ZTE last month took a major step forward in meeting the White House’s conditions by firing its entire board and appointing a new chairman. Its new management faces the challenge of rebuilding trust with phone companies and corporate customers. But the company is said to be facing at least $3 billion in total losses from a months-long moratorium that choked off the chips and other components needed to make its networking gear and smartphones.

上个月，中兴在满足白宫的条件方面迈出了重要的一步，解雇了整个董事会，并任命了一位新的董事长。它的新管理层面临着与手机企业和企业客户重建信任的挑战。但据称，该公司将面临至少30亿美元的损失，因为该公司的网络设备和智能手机所需的芯片和其他部件被切断供应而导致了长达数月的生产暂停。

Earlier this month, Commerce had granted ZTE a temporary reprieve to operate on a limited basis. Friday’s order offers permanent relief to the company, which is China’s second-largest telecommunications-equipment producer.

本月早些时候，商务部已批准了一项允许中兴在有限的基础上开展生产的临时性核准。而周五的订单则为这家中国第二大电信设备生产商提供了永久的解脱。

A bipartisan group of U.S. lawmakers remains concerned about ZTE’s threat to U.S. national security and is pushing for legislation aimed at restoring harsher penalties.

美国国会两党议员仍然对中兴对美国国家安全的威胁感到担忧，并正在推动旨在恢复更严厉惩罚的立法。

[–]C8H10N402- 
That’s one hell of a speeding ticket

这是一张超速罚单

[–]TIL_no 5 
It's a state owned company...

这是一家国有企业……

[–]tylercoderXiaomi MI6 128GB | Zenfone 2 64GB | Nexus 7 2013 2  1  
I thought huawei was

我认为华为也是

[–]TIL_no   
ZTE's largest shareholder at ~30% is a state owned company with ties to the Shenzhen government.

中兴的最大股东大约持股30%，是一家与深圳市政府有联系的国有企业。

[–]tylercoderXiaomi MI6 128GB | Zenfone 2 64GB | Nexus 7 2013 1  17  
Well that sucks

好吧，那糟透了

[–]isometric_turtleS7 Edge   
They don't need to pay anything, maybe just slightly reduce the interest on the U.S debt that China owns.

他们不需要支付任何罚款费用，也许只要稍微降低一点对中国所持有繁荣美国国债的兴趣就行了。

[–]ipewp666   
$1.4 billion for spying on the U.S., and we let them back in.

花了14亿美元用于监视美国。而且我们又让他们回来了。

[–]Velrix   
Pretty sure they got in trouble for selling to NK and Iran not spying......

他们肯定会因为卖给朝鲜和伊朗产品而惹上麻烦，但监视不会……

[–]EngineerBill   
Pretty sure they got in trouble for selling to NK and Iran not spying......
Yup. After all, if you got into trouble for spying, would are president be meeting with the head of Russia on Monday, alone and without witnesses?
C'mon...

“他们肯定会因为卖给朝鲜和伊朗产品而惹上麻烦，但监视不会……”
是的。毕竟，如果你因为间谍活动而陷入麻烦，总统会在周一与俄罗斯领导人会面，独自一人，没有目击者吗？
拜托……

[–]Velrix   
What does that have to do with ZTE man..

这和中兴的人有什么关系……

[–]EngineerBill   
Errr, you haven't heard of the Chinese government investment in Trump's latest Indonesian real estate development project, which just happened to take place just before Trump announced that he would be copacetic with ZTE remaining in business, even though they've been credibly accused of using their devices to spy on Americans, and have been conclusively found to have cheated on international sanctions?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, indictments and confessions continue to pile up against multiple players in the Great American Election Kerfuffle, in which our Presidents has stated clearly that nothing's happening, and despite the fact that nothing's happening, it's still all Obama's fault. There's also strong evidence of Russian or Russian-American players funneling considerable amounts of money to multiple Republican election campaigns (in violation of Federal election regulations and possibly as part of the now documented conspiracy by the Russians to influence the previous election to Republican advantage).
And oh yeah, our head of the Department of Homeland Security now tells us that there is "No Indication Russia Targeting 2018 Election On Same ‘Scale’ As 2016" (which means they're admitting that it happened and is happening again)
And yet... our President is still planning to meet on Monday with the man responsible for all this Russian conspiracy and spying, alone and without a single other American in the room.
In other words, multiple members of this administration appear to be actively participating in spying activities, but, at least for now there no longer appears to be any consequences for this sort of thing. Hence my snarky comment.
Hope that clarifies things. If you'd like any of this documented, google is your friend...

哦,你没有听说过中国政府对特朗普最新印尼房地产开发项目的投资吗，这正好发生在特朗普宣布他将让中兴继续其业务，即使他们已经铁证如山地被指控使用他们的设备来监视美国人，并且最终被发现欺骗了国际制裁？
与此同时，回到牧场，在这场美国大选的混乱中，对多名参与者的指控和供词不断堆积，我们的总统明确表示什么都没有发生，尽管的确什么都没有发生，但这仍然是奥巴马的错。也有强有力的证据表明，俄罗斯或俄罗斯裔美国人将大量资金投入到共和党的多次竞选活动中（这违反了联邦选举规定，也可能是俄罗斯人为了给共和党带来优势而策划的阴谋的一部分）。
噢，是的，我们的国土安全部现在告诉我们：“没有迹象表明俄罗斯针对2018年中期选举采取的活动规模与2016年的‘规模’一样大”（这意味着他们承认确实有干预选举这回事，而且正在再次发生）
然而……我们的总统仍计划在周一与所有这些俄罗斯阴谋和间谍的负责人会面，他独自一人，房间里没有任何其他美国人。
换句话说，本届政府的多名成员似乎都在积极参与间谍活动，但至少目前看来，这类活动不会产生任何后果。于是我的评论和刻薄。
希望这能澄清事实。如果你想要任何文件资料，求助你的好基友谷歌……

[–]Technocrat007Nexus 5, Marshmallow, Rooted   
Doesnt the NSA spy on every other nation in the world?

难道美国国家安全局没有监视世界上其他国家吗？

[–]ipewp666   
Every nations spys on one another. Its just letting somebody do it openly through a company and a president is endorsing it, is all.

所遇国家都在互相监视。中国只是让某人通过一家公司公开地做这件事，而总统也在支持它，这就是事情的全部。

[–]Technocrat007Nexus 5, Marshmallow, Rooted   
No one does it as much as US. No one has as much resources, technical capability or geo political reasons to do it as the US. It's not even close.
There's no way ZTE would be allowed to continue spying after coming back to US. They'd have a lot of additional state/media/civilian spotlight and would be pretty stupid to risk it again. Your "letting somebody do it openly" is principally wrong - the fine was for spying in the first place.

没有谁比美国监视别国得多。没有人拥有像美国那样的资源、技术能力或地缘政治理由。甚至谈不上接近。
在重回美国后，中兴通讯不可能被允许继续从事间谍活动。他们会面临很多额外的来自州/媒体/平民的聚光灯，如果再冒一次险，那就太愚蠢了。你的“让别人公开”的做法是错误的——罚款是首先针对进行间谍活动的。

[–]shortarmed   
the fine was for spying in the first place.
The fine was for violating sanctions on North Korea and Iran.

“罚款是首先针对进行间谍活动的”
罚款是针对违反对朝鲜和伊朗的制裁。

[–]Perge192   
Whataboutism doesn't count
Really? There's no way a Chinese company would continue to use it's devices to spy on US citizens? Now they know worst case scenario is a slap on the wrist fine. They'd be stupid not to.

Whatabout主义不算什么
一家中国公司不可能继续使用它的设备来监视美国公民吗？现在他们知道最坏的情况不过就是一次象征性的罚款。他们不会蠢到不再这么干的。

[–]beermitGalaxy S8+, Pixel C   
No one does it as much as US. No one has as much resources, technical capability or geo political reasons to do it as the US. It's not even close.
You're grossly underestimating the capabilities and motivations of other countries, especially China.

“没有谁比美国监视别国得多。没有人拥有像美国那样的资源、技术能力或地缘政治理由。甚至谈不上接近”
你严重低估了其他国家的能力和动机，尤其是中国。

[–]Ffdmatt   
Right, that's why we only arrest people that do the most crime and then we let everyone else go because some other guy did more.

对，这就是为什么我们只逮捕那些罪行最严重的人，然后我们放掉其他人，因为有人做得更多。

[–]UnskippableAd   
Seems dense to compare a company caught spying to a nation spying.

似乎在愚蠢地把一个被发现的间谍和一个国家的间谍活动相比较。

[–]Technocrat007Nexus 5, Marshmallow, Rooted   
Chinese govt spying through zte, american govt spying through american companies - backdoors in android, windows etc. What's the difference?

中国政府通过中兴通讯进行间谍活动，美国政府通过美国公司进行间谍活动——在android、windows等领域的后门，二者有什么区别？

[–]Tarmist25LG G4 H812   
Yes, in the name of "national security".

是的，以“国家安全”的名义。

[–]xtsi   
whataboutism

whatabout主义

[–]Technocrat007Nexus 5, Marshmallow, Rooted   
Maybe, but I think part of the reason ZTE was let away with the fine was the US fear of a backlash against American companies by almost every country on the planet.

或许吧，但我认为，中兴被罚款的部分原因在于，美国担心全球几乎所有国家都会对美国企业产生抵触情绪。

[–]masterofdisaster93   
Can't believe there's people so gullible that they still believe everything their government and say, and media repeat (something the US never managed put forth evidence of). Iraq had WMD too, right?
It was never about spying, it was about protectionism.

不敢相信，人们如此容易上当受骗，以至于他们仍然相信他们的政府和言论，以及媒体的重复（这是美国从来没有提出过的证据）。伊拉克也有大规模杀伤性武器，对吧？
它从来不是关于间谍行为的，而是关于保护主义的。

[–]absumo   
Isn't it odd how they just pay a 1.4 billion fine. Was there no other conditions either? Looks legit to me...

他们只是支付了14亿的罚款，这不是很奇怪吗？没有其他的条件吗？在我看来好像他们这么做还是合法的……

[–]internet_spaceships   
ZTE last month took a major step forward in meeting the White House’s conditions by firing its entire board and appointing a new chairman.

上个月，中兴通讯在满足白宫的条件方面迈出了重要的一步，解雇了整个董事会，并任命了一位新的董事长。

[–]citizen_kiko   
..and will be closely monitored for the next 10 years.

……并将在未来10年内受到严密监视。

[–]absumo   
I get it, but my point was one of how it's always the same. They pay money, they go back to life and other possible issues are still looming. And, they paid 1.4 B + other fines. Still not as bad as Equifax, but more of the same. Notice how they can always pay the fine with little consequence or change.

我明白了，但我的观点是，剧情总是一样的。他们付钱，他们回到生活中，其他可能的问题还在浮现。而且，他们还支付了14亿+其他罚款。仍然没有艾奎法克斯那么糟糕，但二者的情况更像。关注一下为何他们总是支付罚款，但没有什么后果或改变。

[–]genos1213   
Notice how they can always pay the fine with little consequence or change.
Did you not read a single word of the quote you're replying to? I don't think you get it.

“关注一下为何他们总是支付罚款，但没有什么后果或改变”
你没有读过你正在回复的那句话吗？我不认为你能理解。

[–]absumo   
They broke sanctions and just payed some money up front and an agreement to pay more later and all is forgotten? What did I miss?

他们违反了制裁，只是提前支付了一些钱，然后达成了一项协议，以后支付更多的钱，所有的一切都被遗忘了？我错过了什么?

[–]genos1213   
The entire point of the post you replied to with "I get it", apparently.

显然，你回复的那篇文章的全部要点就是“我明白了”。

[–]TIFUbyResponding   
Well, Ivanka got some patents out of the deal too. So it worked out for everyone! (Except the US in general)

伊万卡也从这笔交易中获得了一些专利。所以它对每个人都适用！（美国除外）

[–]plumbuslurkerPixel XL 128   
Sweet deal for ZTE to get out of international sanctions.

对中兴来说，要摆脱国际制裁，这是一笔不错的交易。

[–]randypriest   
Sanctions sound like bail. You may not have done something wrong, but if you cough up some cash we'll let you get on. Just remember we might call you back soon...

听起来像保释的制裁。你可能没有做错什么，但如果你拿出一些现金，我们会让你继续下去的。只要记住我们可能很快就会喊你回来……

[–]Random-meNexus 4 - Note 10.1   
Do you get bail back if you're found not guilty?

如果你被发现无罪，你会得到保释吗？

[–]IForgotMyPasswordGrriPhone SE, iOS 11   
ZTE didn't violate sanctions on ZTE, they violated US sanctions on other countries.

中兴没有违反对中兴的制裁，他们违反了美国对其他国家的制裁。

[–]anti09  
More specifically, they violated sanctions, promised they would stop and take certain actions in restitution, then lied about it.

更具体地说，他们违反了制裁，承诺他们会停止并采取某些行动来赔偿，然后对其撒谎。

[–]dark_spectre_  
That was a word for word description of how the entire US legal system operates.

这就是对整个美国法律体系运作方式的描述。

[–]Axeking12   
They make pretty great cheap phones though, I loved mine

他们制作了非常棒的廉价手机，我喜欢我的

[–]byitchboi  
This is nothing for them to get their hands on such a juicy piece of meat like the us market

这对他们来说没有什么能像美国市场那样“多汁的肉”

[–]Hemingwavy   
They don't want the US market. The ban stopped them buying qualcomm parts which they need because no one else makes adequate ARM CPUs they use in their phones and there's other USA based components they need to build their products.

他们不想要美国市场。这一禁令阻止了他们购买他们需要的高通零部件，因为没有其他生产商为他们的手机提供足够的ARM cpu，而且他们还需要其他的美国组件来制造他们的产品。

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0   
And licensing Google services outside China. ZTE could easily exist inside China, with mediatek SoC.
But Google is a requirement outside China.

并且在中国境外获得谷歌服务的许可。中兴通讯很容易在中国境内存在，联发科技是中国的。
但获得谷歌的许可是走出中国的一个必要条件。

[–]torlesse  
mediatek
is Taiwanese, if ZTE is banned by the US, Mediatek would take the same position as Qualcomm.

联发科技是台湾企业
如果中兴被美国禁售，联发科技将取代高通的地位。

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0  
Taiwan doesn't follow the US government. Internationally, they are officially recognized as being a part of China.
Also, mediatek had already received permission to sell to ZTE

台湾没有跟随美国政府。在国际上，他们被正式承认是中国的一部分。
此外，联发科技已经获得了向中兴出售的许可

[–]deepwork25  
Internationally, they are officially recognized as being part of China
Only because China refuses to do business with any country who doesn't agree to this publicly. For this reason, even the US lacks an official embassy in Taiwan. Instead, we have the Institute

在国际上，他们被正式承认是中国的一部分
只是因为中国拒绝与任何不公开同意这一观点的国家做生意。出于这个原因，即使是美国也没有在台湾设立官方大使馆。但我们有驻台机构

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0   
It doesn't matter what the reason is. Look for President Xi to bring Taiwan closer to the mainland.
Honestly, you can criticize the PRC for laying claim all it wants to the ROC, but the ROC also claims to be the legitimate government of all of China, not just Taiwan, and they consider themselves a government in exile.
You can favor the ROC all you want, but the winners of ancivil war generally don't flee to an island and then still proclaim to be the legitimate government over the rest of the country.
That's why I mention that Internationally, other than about a dozen countries, the PRC is recognized as the government over Taiwan. Keep in mind the ROC does assert governance over mainland China, as is what happened in the UN when the ROC sat on the UN security council and represented ALL of China until Richard Nixon changed that....

原因是什么并不重要。指望586让台湾更接近大陆。
老实说，你可以批评中华人民共和国向中华萌国提出所有要求，但中华萌国也声称是全中国的合法政府，而不仅仅是台湾，他们认为自己是一个流亡政府。
你可以随心所欲地支持中华萌国，但内战的胜利者一般不会逃到一个小岛上，然后仍然宣称自己是这个国家的合法政府。
这就是为什么我提到在国际上，除了十几个国家之外，各国都承认中华人民共和国才是公认的台湾管辖政府。记住中华萌国确实主张对中国大陆的治理，就像中华萌国呆在联合国安理会期间所发生的事情一样，在理查德•尼克松改变了这一点之前，中华萌国在联合国安理会上代表了整个中国。

[–]aftokinito   
Then again, the ROC hasn't killed 60 million ethnic Chinese and doesn't genocide the north west to this day like the PRC.

不过话说回来，中华萌国并没有消灭6000万中国人（译注：数字越来越大了），也没有像中华人民共和国那样在今天的西北地区进行种zu删除。

[–]Smallmammal   
Shhh patriotic Chinese aren't allowed to know about that. Or a certain student protest.

嘘，爱国的中国人不被允许知道这一点。还有某个学生的抗议。

[–]ShrimpCrackersAsus Zenfone 2 5.5" & Zenfone 6   
Internationally every country has its own One China policy which is very different from China's One China Principle.
Problem with ZTE though is that anything less than a few billion is a drop in the bucket for the amount of tech they stole and used without license.

在国际上，每个国家都有自己的一个中国政策，这与中国的一个中国原则非常不同。
不过，中兴通讯的问题在于，任何少于几十亿的处罚相比他们窃取和无证使用的技术数量，都是沧海一粟。

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0   
No, Internationally very few countries officially recognize Taiwan as a separate country, and if you ask their government if they're an independent country, you'll get a "No."
They are a special administrative regions like Macau, Hong Kong and Tibet.
And the ban wasn't for using technology without a license, it was for selling communication equipment to Iran.

不，在国际上很少有国家正式承认台湾是一个独立的国家，如果你问他们的政府，他们是否是一个独立的国家，你会得到一个“不是”的回答。
他们是类似于澳门、香港和西藏等地的特别行政区域。
这项禁令的理由并不是在没有许可证的情况下使用技术，而是向伊朗出售通讯设备。

[–]Henri688   
Stop saying crap like this. Taiwan has his own passport / currency. It is not ruled by China. And the situation here is more complex than your quick and wrong description.

别再胡说八道了。台湾有它自己的护照/货币。它不是由中国（大陆）统治的。这里的情况比你简单错误的描述要复杂得多。

[–]naryn   
Taiwan has his own passport / currency.
That does not mean countries recognise them as a legal entity, 17 nations (and The Holy See) recognise Taiwan out of 193
So some do, most just leave it in a grey area so they can still deal with China

“台湾有它自己的护照/货币”
这并不意味着各国承认他们是一个合法的实体，17个国家（和罗马教廷）承认台湾，193个国家不承认
所以有些国家会承认台湾，但其中大多数都把台湾留在一个灰色地带，以便他们仍然能和中国打交道

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0   
Taiwan has his own passport / currency.
So does Hong Kong. Also not an independent country. It's never declared independence.
It is not ruled by China.
Your government asserts itself as the legitimate ruler of all of China. The PRC assetts the same. This isn't a matter of debate. Again, historically up until Nixon (about 1973), the Taiwanese government (ROC) was treated by the international community as the ruler over all of China. The ROC asserted that it was the legitimate ruler over all of China. The ROC hasn't given up this claim, at least not in it's entirety.Theses facts aren't 'crap'. Under what assertion by the ROC or the PRC has this relationship changed?
I'm well aware that the situation is complex. But your revisitionist history doesn't simplify matters. The ROC hasn't given up it's assertion and hasn't declared itself independent from mainland China. The PRC has no incentive to even let such a claim go unchallenged. So please explain to me why a government that asserted governance over a far larger region than it controlled, that has never gave up this assertion, was formally seen as the legitimate ruler over said region and has never proclaimed itself as an independent country should be treated as such? How can another country conduct a deal with two governments that claim the same land mass as it's own?
This reality. The PRC doesn't throw a hissy fit that the ROC is treated as an independent country because they're assholes, it's because both governments claim the same area, so legitimizing one de-ligitimizes the other. You and I both may agree and like the ROC better, but this is fucking reality. ROC can't be treated as an independent country until it relinquishes its claim on mainland China and formally declares independence. Everyone in the world knows this. So let's not pretend the situation is any different than this.

“台湾有它自己的护照/货币”
香港也是如此。但它也不是一个独立的国家。它从来没有宣布独立。
它不是由中国大陆治理的。
你们的当局自称是全中国的合法统治者。中华人民共和国也是如此。这不是一个争论的问题。历史上直到尼克松（大约1973年）之前，台湾政府一直被国际社会视为中国大陆的统治者。中华萌国声称自己是全国的合法统治者。中华萌国并没有放弃这个要求，至少没有全部放弃。这些事实并不是“胡说八道”。从中华萌国或中华人民共和国的哪一份声明里，能看到这种关系发生了变化？
我很清楚形势很复杂。但你的修正主义历史并没有简化问题。中华萌国没有放弃自己的主张，也没有宣布自己独立于中国大陆。中国甚至没有动力让这样的主张不受质疑。所以请向我解释为什么一个宣称对一个比它所实际控制的范围大得多的地区进行统治的政府，从来没有放弃过这个主张，曾被正式地视为对这个地区的合法统治者，从来没有宣布自己是一个独立的国家，应该被这样对待？另一个国家怎么能与声称拥有和自己同样土地的两个政府达成协议呢？
这一现实。中华人民共和国不认为中华萌国是一个独立的国家，因为他们是混蛋，而是因为双方政府（当局）都声称拥有相同的领土，所以使其中一个合法化，使另一个不合法。你和我可能都同意而且更喜欢中华萌国，但这就是tmd现实。在放弃对中国大陆的要求并正式宣布独立之前，中华萌国不能被视为一个独立的国家。世界上所有人都知道这一点。所以我们不要假设情况和这个有什么不同。

[–]Henri688   
Are you a chinese troll? And you dare to argue as an outsider.. So let's talk a bit: Hong Kong situation is completely different from Taiwan. History, politics and all.. You said Taiwan is a special administrative region of China which is completely wrong!! Taiwan is a democracy and has its own government!!! If you don't see the difference, leave your keyboard and go there!

你是中国的钓鱼者吗？你还敢以局外人的身份争辩……让我们来谈一谈：香港的情况与台湾完全不同。历史、政治以及所有情况……你说台湾是中国的一个特别行政区，这是完全错误的！！台湾是一个民主guo家，有自己的政fu！！如果你没有看到区别，那就离开你的键盘去吧！

[–]ShrimpCrackersAsus Zenfone 2 5.5" & Zenfone 6   
We're not talking about recognizing separate. We're talking recognizing as a nation. They don't officially but they have unofficial consulates that for all intents and purposes are.
Don't confuse the two. Recognizing them as the same is also different too.
The ban wasn't for selling banned tech to Iran and North Korea, but ZTE is one of the principal violators of IP and other things too, and doing willy nilly with it as well.

我们谈论的不是认知区分。我们谈论的是作为一个国家的承认。他们不是正式的，但他们有非官方的领事馆，无论从哪方面来说都是如此。
不要混淆这两个概念。认识到它们是一样的，也是不同的。
这一禁令并不是针对向伊朗和朝鲜出售被禁的技术，但中兴通讯也是侵犯知识产权和其他东西的主要公司之一，而且还会不惜一切代价地使用这些技术。

[–]sweatinballsJP Galaxy S8+, Android 7.0  
Except the ROC proclaims governance over the PRC and all of mainland China. You do realize they consider themselves in exile from the mainland? They are the former government prior to 1949.
They're not asking to be recognized as a nation (some within the government are... It's more complicated than I'm describing), they're asserting that they are the legitimate government of mainland China.
The option isn't to recognize Taiwan as a separate nation since Taiwan hasn't considered themselves separate! Recognizing Taiwan as being legitimate automatically de-ligitimizes the PRC as to who you have relations with. You can be angry at the PRC all you want, but blame also falls with the ROC.
You do realize that prior to Nixon opening up to the PRC, the US recognized the ROC as being the legitimate government of China, which gave them a seat on the UN security council and representation as all of China. When Nixon changed that, it meant the ROC couldn't go from representing ALL of China and asserting governance over it to then being recognized as an independent country, not without formally declaring independence and formally giving up their claim of governance over all of China, which has never happened.
It's not just the PRC 'bullying' a separate country. The PRC was 'bullied' by the international community for over 2 decades when they weren't recognized as a legitimate government. So you can understand why they're sensitive to this relationship.
The ban wasn't for selling banned tech to Iran and North Korea, but ZTE is one of the principal violators of IP and other things too, and doing willy nilly with it as well.
The US enacted the trade ban in response to ZTE violating sanctions on Iran and North Korea. The company then failed to follow through with a series of fairly basic punishments — like not giving bonuses to the people who violated trade sanctions — and repeatedly lied to the US government, according to the Commerce Department. This led the department to conclude that ZTE is “incapable of being, or unwilling to be, a reliable and trustworthy recipient of US-origin goods, software, and technology.”
I'm not doubting their IP violations, but the export ban was for doing business with Iran/N. Korea and then failing to follow through on their sanctions.

除了中华萌国宣称的对中华人民共和国和中国大陆的管辖。你知道他们认为自己是被大陆放逐的吗？他们是1949年以前的政府。
他们没有要求被承认为一个国家（政府内部的一些人……比我描述的更复杂），他们声称他们才是中国大陆的合法政府。
选择并不是不是承认台湾是一个独立的国家，因为台湾并没有认为自己是独立的！承认台湾是合法的，会自动使与你有关系的中华人民共和国非法化。你尽可以对中华人民共和国感到愤怒，但指责也落在了中华民国身上。
你确实知道，在尼克松向中国开放之前，美国承认中华萌国是中国的合法政府，这给了他们在联合国安理会的席位和代表中国的权利。当尼克松改变这一观点时，这意味着中华萌国不能代表全中国，并对其进行治理，而不是在没有正式宣布独立的情况下，正式放弃对所有中国的主权主张，被承认为一个独立的国家，这从未发生过。
这不是中国在“欺负”一个独立的国家的问题。中华人民共和国被国际社会“欺凌”了20多年，他们没有被承认为一个合法的政府。所以你可以理解为什么他们对这种关系很敏感。
“这一禁令并不是针对向伊朗和朝鲜出售被禁的技术，但中兴通讯也是侵犯知识产权和其他东西的主要公司之一，而且还会不惜一切代价地使用这些技术”
由于中兴违反了对伊朗和朝鲜的制裁，美国颁布了这项贸易禁令。商务部表示，该公司随后未能实施一系列相当基本的惩罚措施——比如不向违反贸易制裁的人发放奖金——并一再向美国政府撒谎。这导致美国商务部得出结论，中兴“无法或不愿成为美国产品、软件和技术的可靠和值得信赖的接受者”。
我并不怀疑他们侵犯知识产权，但出口禁令的理由在于中兴与伊朗/朝鲜做生意，并未遵循对它们的制裁。

[–]MioMioCola  
There is Hisilicon. As of now they are only producing for Huawei, but that can change.

海思麒麟。到目前为止，他们只为华为而生产，但这种情况可能会改变。

[–]spacekobraNexus 4 | Muffin   
Why would it change? Hisilicon is Huawei.

为什么会改变？海思麒麟就是华为的。

[–]MioMioCola   
And Samsung is producing for Apple, so why not Hisilicon producing for others than Huawei?

三星正在为苹果公司生产，那么为什么不为其他公司生产呢？

[–]spacekobraNexus 4 | Muffin   
Because Samsung is a foundry and hisilicon is not. Apples chip team is akin to hisilicons

因为三星是一个铸造工厂，而海思麒麟不是。苹果的芯片团队类似于海思麒麟

[–]MioMioCola  
But Hisilicon can and is producing arm cpus. If they want they can grow bigger and open up to others using their hardware. I am not saying this is happening in the near future, but it is absolutely possible.

但是海思麒麟能够并且正在生产arm cpu。如果他们想要，他们可以扩大生产规模，将他们的硬件设施向其他企业开放。我并不是说这在不久的将来会发生，但这绝对是可能的。

[–]spacekobraNexus 4 | Muffin   
I’m very much under the impression they are fabless and rely on other foundries to make their chips.
But if they aren’t then of course ZTE could use them.

我的印象是，他们是没有生产线的，依靠其他铸造工厂来生产他们的芯片。
但如果他们不是，中兴就可以使用它们。

[–]SupahSpankeh  
As a European, I don't want Chinese or us authorities getting my data.
I am no fan of the Chinese but Amercia got issues, particularly at the moment.

作为一个欧洲人，我不希望中国或美国当局获得我的数据。
我不喜欢中国人，但美国有问题，尤其是目前。

[–]nezzmarinoHonor 9 (Sapphire Blue)   
As an European I'd still rather choose to be spied by China.

作为一个欧洲人，我宁愿选择被中国监视。

[–]PhillAholicMoto G5 Plus   
You’re really exaggerating there. China is on a whole different level.

你真的很夸张。中国正处于一个完全不同的水平。

[–]IForgotMyPasswordGrriPhone SE, iOS 11  
China has a large stake in ZTE and the US ban was massive.
Even though this was a commercial company violating sanctions it became a very interesting case for the Department of State.

中国在中兴通讯中持有大量股份，美国的禁令是巨大的。
尽管这是一家违反制裁的商业公司，但它成为了国务院的一个非常有趣的案例。

[–]Book_it_again   
We didn't get shit. The government got a large check of which 90% will be spent on government inefficiency and defense. Gotta pay for that 100 billion dollar defense budget increase somehow. I just didn't feel safe with a defense budget of 500 billion so we needed to make it 600

我们屁都没得到。政府得到了一大笔钱，其中90%将用于政府的效率低下和国防开支。要为那1000亿美元的国防预算增加付出代价。我只是觉得自己的国防预算是500亿，所以我们需要把它变成600亿美元

[–]morcerfelLenovo K6, 7.0   
I'm pro banning ZTE. Embargo has its purpose. But half of the people in this thread keep talking as if ZTE is spyware, which is ironic.

我赞成禁止中兴通讯。禁运有其目的。但是，有一半的人一直在说，好像中兴是间谍软件，这很讽刺。

[–]Tarmist25LG G4 H812   
This. If I had been ZTE, the first time I was caught, I would've just found a different chip manufacturer for those phones.

关于这一点。如果我是中兴，我第一次被抓住，我就会为那些手机找到一个不同的芯片制造商。

[–]GSWarriorsIn4   
Meanwhile Huawei is still de facto banned.

与此同时，华为实际上仍然被禁止。

[–]IForgotMyPasswordGrriPhone SE, iOS   
No.
ZTE and Huawei are both banned from US Government systems. The government can't buy ZTE or Huawei components, equipment, radios, etc. Additionally neither companies equipment can be sold to consumers on military bases, and a few other things.
This had nothing to do with that.
This was a ban to ZTE on dealing to and from American business. They couldn't sell phones. They couldn't sell IOT devices. They couldn't buy chips.
This has to do with you and ZTE. It has nothing to do with Huawei.
The preexisting ban on government sytems still exists.

不。
中兴通讯和华为都被禁止进入美国政府系统。政府不能购买中兴或华为的零部件、设备、无线设备等。另外，两家公司的设备都不能进行基于军事用途的销售行为，还有一些其他的东西。
这与此毫无关系。
这是对中兴通讯在处理和从美国业务中交易的禁令。他们不能卖手机。他们不能销售物联网设备。他们无法购买芯片。
这与你和中兴通讯有关。这与华为没有任何关系。
先前存在的对政府系统的禁令仍然存在。

[–]ZQubit 
China sucks US hard, but claim their dominance is inevitable. So far their success is just copy and big population factor.

中国对美国吸了很多血，但声称他们的主导地位是不可避免的。到目前为止，他们的成功只是因为山寨和人口因素。

[–]nezzmarinoHonor 9 (Sapphire Blue)   
No the main reason they banned ZTE was because US was standing to lose billions from ZTE undercutting them in selling technology to Iran. Now that US extorted the tax from them, it's all good.

他们禁止中兴通讯的主要原因在于，美国正面临着因为削弱中兴通讯向伊朗出售技术的能力中损失数十亿美元的机会。现在美国向他们勒索了税款，这一切都很好。

[–]lballs 
...do you really believe this?

……你真的相信吗？