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为什么越南比印度看起来更加发达现代？



Will Charlie
Vietnam learn from China，Indialearn from UK。that is different。China style is out of style。theylook like not high end.they need notspeak English，no software etc.that is just China style.butit works。Indian think democracy is everything.once you have democracy，sooneror later，it will make India great again。India is much more dirty than Sikkim，Bhutan，Nepal，Vietnam.the only cleardistrict is northeast。so i thinkgene is decisive

越南正在向中国学习，印度则向英国学习，这是不同的。中国风格过时了，他们看起来不像高端人士。他们不需要说英语，也不需要软件等。这就是中国风格，但却很有效。印度认为民主就是一切。一旦你拥有了民主，它迟早会让印度重新变得伟大。印度比锡金、不丹、尼泊尔、越南还要肮脏。东北地区是唯一一个干净的地区。所以我认为基因是决定性的因素。

Harshil Vora
Lets have a look atthe advantages and disadvantages of staying in Vietnam instead of India.
Lets see some advantages first:
Be 85.23% less likely to be unemployed. (Vietnam has anunemployment rate of 1.30% while India has 8.80%)
Live 5.11 years longer. (The life expectancy at birth inVietnam is 72.91 while in India it is 67.80.)
Be 56.03% less likely to die in infancy. (The number ofdeaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births inVietnam is 18.99 while in India it is 43.19.)
Now lets see some disadvantages:
Use 96.99% more electricity. (The per capita consumption ofelectricity in India is 565kWh while in Vietnam it is 1,113kWh)
Spend 66.94% more money on health care. (Per capita publicand private health expenditures combined in Vietnam are $102.50 USD while Indiaspends $61.40 USD)
Consume 3.7% more oil ( India consumes 0.1134 gallons of oilper day per capita while Vietnam consumes 0.1176 )
Be 33.33% more likely to have HIV/AIDS. (The percentage ofadults living with HIV/AIDS in Vietnam is 0.40% while in India it is 0.30%.)
Experience 2.17% more of a class divide. ( The degree ofinequality in the distribution of family income. In Vietnam it is 37.60 whilein India it is 36.80.)
And one neutral point would be:
Make the same amount of money! ( The GDP per capita inVietnam is $4,000 while in India it is $4,000)
The disadvantages don't seem much relevant on per day basis.But going by 5 or 10 year plan or more, It does produce more concern onsociety, environment and standard of living rather than enjoying the luxury ofhaving everything in abundance!

让我们来看看留在越南和留在印度的利弊。
让我们先看看一些优点：
失业的可能性降低85.23%。（越南的失业率为1.30%，印度为8.80%）
多活5.11年。（越南的出生时预期寿命为72.91岁，而印度为67.8岁。）
在婴儿期死亡的可能性降低56.03%。（在越南，一岁以下婴儿的死亡率为每千名活产婴儿中有18.99人死亡，而在印度，这一数字为43.19。）
现在让我们看看一些缺点：
多用96.99%的电。（印度人均用电量为565千瓦时，而越南为11113千瓦时）
在医疗保健方面多花66.94%。（越南人均公共和私人医疗支出合计为102.50美元，而印度为61.40美元）
石油消耗量增加3.7%（印度人均每天消耗0.1134加仑石油，越南人均消耗0.1176）
患艾滋病的可能性增加33.33%。（在越南，成年艾滋病患者的比例为0.40%，而在印度，这一比例为0.30%。）
如果你的学习成绩不好，那么你的学习成绩就会提高2.17%。（家庭收入分配的不平等程度。越南是37.60，而印度是36.80。
一个中立的观点是：
赚同样多的钱！（越南的人均gdp为4000美元，而印度为4000美元）
这些缺点在日常生活中似乎没什么关系。但经过5年或10年的计划或更多，它确实使人们更加关注社会、环境和生活水平，而不是享受拥有一切的奢侈!

Michael Kim
Because ofnthenforeign investment is coming in.
The first was Japan, Korea then china. however. It is alsothe location that makes these countries to invest Vietnam easier than to India.

因为外国投资正在涌入。
首先是日本，然后是中国。然而。这也是这些国家投资越南比投资印度更容易的地方。

Apoorv Jain
1.Political stability is a prerequisite of economicdevelopment, and the CPV remains to be the unique power;
2.To achieve economic goals, Vietnam must keep its door opento foreign trade and investment; and,
3.Gradualism is preferred to avoid ‘deviation from the socialist path’.
This helped Vietnam to get the trust of foreign investors init's hold. Being a single party country, it could kept it's policy stableduring all this time asd continued to attract investors for long.
But due to small size, less population and requirements,developmental changes are a bit more perceptible in Vietnam as compared toIndia.

1.政治稳定是经济发展的前提，而cpv仍然是唯一的动力；
2.为了实现经济目标，越南必须向对外贸易和投资敞开大门；
3.人们倾向于渐进主义，以避免“偏离社会主义道路”。
这帮助越南获得了外国投资者对其持有权的信任。作为一党独政的国家，它可以在这段时间内保持其政策的稳定，ASD继续长期吸引投资者。
但由于面积小，人口少，需求少，越南的发展变化比印度要明显得多。

Robert Charles
I think Vietnam seems to be doing better than India mainlybecause most projects don't seem to run into the kind of deadweight inertia ofbureaucracy that characterise or typify India. So projects in Vietnam seem tomove along relatively quicker there than the similar in India.
The way I understand it, the statistics are still in India'sfavour overall. Then again, those statistics may be a little misleading too.Notwithstanding the technical definitions, India has never had a closed economy(even though it might not necessarily have an 'open' one from time to time).India has always traded with the rest of the world, problematic it may havebeen from time to time in the past.
By contrast, Vietnam was closed off practically completelyfrom 1975 until actual economic liberalisation came in the mid-1990s and reallygot moving in the early 2000s.
But like the others have highlighted, Vietnam is a ratherhomogeneous society and has a centralised way of governance, both of whichhelps considerably. India is a highly heterogeneous society by history andculture and the state is nowhere as centralised as it bills itself, so Indiahas a much steeper uphill to get things done.
So far, that's the picture that appears to me about bothcountries. So far, both countries are trying to do the right thing and move inthe right direction.

我认为，越南似乎比印度做得更好，主要是因为大多数项目似乎都没有陷入官僚作风那种不作为的惰性，而官僚作风正是印度的特点或典型特征。因此，越南的项目似乎比印度的项目进展得更快。
据我所知，根据印度的统计数据来看总体上还是对印度占优势。然而，这些统计数字也可能有点误导。尽管有这些技术上的定义，印度从来没有过封闭的经济（尽管它可能并不一定时常有“开放”的经济）。印度一直与世界其他地区进行贸易，这在过去可能是个问题。
相比之下，越南从1975年开始几乎完全被关闭，直到20世纪90年代中期真正的经济自由化到来，并在21世纪初真正开始了发展。
但正如其他人所强调的，越南是一个相当单一的社会，有着集中的治理方式，这两者都有很大的帮助。从历史和文化上看，印度是一个高度多元的社会，没有一个国家像它自己提出的那样中央集权，因此印度要把事情做好，就有更大的困难。
这就是我看到的两国的情况。到目前为止，两国都在努力做正确的事情，朝着正确的方向前进。

Michael Kim
India? It's a fact that most Indians are native Englishspeakers who can give impact on the reputation of India, especially on the Web.I am not on either side. But I'd like to raise some of vietnamese voices onbehalf of them because I've been there. (yes. I have both Indian and vietnamesefriends from whom I receive how it is to be in their countries.)
1. Water
Recently, I've seen TED talks from a good Indian guy whowanted to give stable water supplies to the poor.  It was a great talk, and he was respected.
I want to emphasize this because water is big part of thehealthy living. I'm not saying the water in Hanoi is particularly clean, but itseems tap water + power is supplied to every household. (which means, boilingwater is possible) India, also the same. But it seems that indian land is toobig to supply and put water pipes all over the country. Perhaps, water pipebusiness is going to be a promising business in India.
2. Industry
However, car, spacecraft, software industries..etc.. Indiais more industrialized. Vietnam, on the other hands, is less industrializedbecause there is no need.
Developed or not developed, it seems that most
3. People
Vietnamese are happier than Indians.
I don't know. What is democracy? I'm free democratic countryand it seems respecting oldies (with money) and do not interfering others'freedom seems to be democracy, then Vietnam certainly is reasonably goodcountry to live. I don't understand the people who fight for democracy, whenthey live in socialist country. There is absolutely no point at all in Vietnam,as it is free country. Expression of oneself is not forbidden, and religiousactivities are allowed too. Just don't bother government who doesn't bother youeither. Wanna get things done quick? Pay for express service, which might becalled bribe in democracy, oh. No. It's called lobbying. Right?
4. Development
Both countries have grear culture and people.
It's really pointless to compare these two countries andfeel happy or down, because without these comparison, smart people know what todo to make themselves happy.
I'm sorry if my answer is biased. Like I said, buy me ticketto India then I'll fly there and update my answer. :)

印度?事实上，大多数印度人都是以英语为母语的，他们会对印度的声誉产生影响，尤其是在网络上。我不是站在任何一方。但我想代表他们提出一些越南人的看法，因为我去过那里。(是的。我有印度和越南的朋友，他们告诉我在他们国家情况是怎样的。
1。水
最近，我看到一个印度人在TED演讲，他想给穷人提供稳定的供水。这是一次伟大的演讲，他受到了尊敬。
我想强调这一点，因为水是健康生活的重要组成部分。我不是说河内的水特别干净，但起码有自来水+电力供应给每个家庭。(也就是说，煮沸的水是可能的)印度，也是一样的。但印度的土地似乎太大了，无法供应，全国到处都是水管。也许，在印度，水管行业将是一个很有前途的行业。
2。行业
然而，汽车、航天器、软件等行业……印度工业化。另一方面，越南的工业化程度较低，因为没有需求。
发达与否，似乎是最重要的。
3。人
越南人比印度人更幸福。
我不知道。民主是什么?我来自一个自由民主的国家，它似乎尊重老人(用金钱)，不干涉他人的自由，这似乎就是民主，那么越南当然是一个生活得很好的国家。我不理解那些生活在社会主义国家里为民主而战的人们。在越南绝对没有专制，因为它是一个自由的国家。自我表达是合法的，宗教活动也是被允许的。只要不扰民不干扰政府就行。想早点解决事情吗？可以支付快递服务。这在民主国家可能被称为贿赂，哦。没有。这叫游说对吧？
4。发展
这两个国家都有灰色文化。
把这两个国家进行比较是毫无意义的，不必自寻烦恼和话题，聪明人知道如何做才能让自己快乐。
如果我的回答有失偏颇，我很抱歉。就像我说的，给我买一张去印度的机票，然后我坐飞机去那里更新我的答案。

Anonymous
One thing is for sure.
Vietnamese is much more cleverer than Indians, althoughVietnam got independence in 1971, while India got independence in 1947! Thiswhy india are left behind china as well.
Vietnam develops fast and is richer than India.
India is the filthiest and poorest place on the planet!

有一件事是肯定的。
越南人比印度人聪明得多，尽管越南在1971年获得了独立，而印度在1947年获得了独立！这也是为什么印度也被抛在中国后面的原因。
越南发展迅速，比印度富裕。
印度是世界上最肮脏、最贫穷的地方！

Trọng Đạt
First, that is Vietnam ‘s normal development appearance, Vietnamese working hard toget that achievement . It’snot fake “Look like” for you to watch, If you go toVietnam, you will see that truth of Development of Vietnam
After 20 year trade embargo from US ( ended in 1995) ,Vietnamese working hard to catching up others Asia nations , we know that welive in shorter peace than them, we’reunlucky nation, So we must be hard working more & more
Vietnam’sdevelopment you can see through the North , Middle to South: Hanoi, HCM city,Danang, Nhatrang, Vungtau, Halong, Vinh, Haiphong wih ton of Skyline andconstruction here, we also have ton of famous Tourist Cities like Hoian, Sapa,Dalat, PhuQuoc island , Halong, Muine, bomb Construction & building,
=> Vietnam development through the country, de-centraleconomics, So Vietnam ‘s developmenttotally different with Asia nation like Thailand, Malaysia, Phillpin, orIndoensia who only focus in their Capital cities
=> That why Vietnam “modern and development” will spread to all Vietnamese in every provinces and cities
Vietnam economics focus on all people can get the rich, allpeople can do business, free capitalism everywhere , Ton of Viet Tycoon, Richpeople rising, especial Vietnamese Middle income rising fast in the world
your question truly considered that Vietnam development isFake so you put “look like “ words in your sentences?

首先，这是越南的正常发展面貌，越南人努力取得了这一成就。如果你去越南，你就会看到越南发展的真相，而不是假的“看起来像”。
在我们实行了20年的贸易禁运（1995年结束）之后，越南人努力追赶其他亚洲国家，我们知道我们生活在比他们更短的和平之中，我们是不幸的国家，所以我们必须更加努力地工作。
越南的发展，你可以看到北，中，南：河内，hmc市，丹昂，那哈朗，万陶，哈隆，越南，海防威顿的天际线和建筑在这里，我们也有许多着名的旅游城市像霍安，萨帕，达拉特，福魁岛，哈隆，穆因，爆炸式的建筑和楼房。
越南通过国家的发展，去中央经济化，因此越南的发展与亚洲国家完全不同，如泰国，马来西亚，菲平或印度，他们只关注他们的首都城市
越南“现代化和发展”将在每个省市传播到所有越南人。
越南经济关注所有人可以致富，所有人都可以做生意，到处都有自由资本主义，越南大亨有很多，富人崛起，尤其是中等收入的越南人在世界范围内迅速上升。
你的问题估计认为越南的发展是假的，所以你在句子里加上了“看起来像”这个词？

Vaibhav Khairnar
No, vietnam is not more modern or developed than india.
And Its unfair comparison. Bcoz
How can You compare
1250 million against 90 million?
33 lakh sq km against 3 lakh square km??
2. 3 trillion $ against 195 billion $ ??
And if u still want to compare and say vietnam is moredeveloped then:-
i)india has 450 million people living in middle class and abovewhich is FIVE times vietnam, their avg life is far better than avgvietnamese.can you compare??
ii)indias space technology ISRO (first asian and only thesecond after NASA to reach mars) against vietnams space technology. Can youcompare??
iii)indias IT technology,business hubs,innovations,manufacturing, big MNCs, startups Against vietnams. Can youcompare???
iv)indias military, economy, political influence, logistics,bollywood, media, sports, science and technology, airports,institutions etc etc…compare this with vietnam??
v)narendra modi(9 th most powerful person on the planetaccording to forbes 2015) against xuan phuc
vi)At last, indias global muscle power against vietnams…. can you compare??
So, i dont know how vietnam is more developed, when Mumbaialone has bigger and faster growing gdp than vietnam.
Look Both the countries are developing nations, i knowvietnam is one of the fastest growing economies, it is also very important andprominent nation in south East Asia and a great strategic partner of india.
india has got its problems which should be fixed and maybevietnam being a small country compared to india is a bit developed in ruralareas(which i seriously doubt) .. also i dont know which part of india uvisited but regardless of that India is just too big to compare with vietnam.
So your question is completely wrong or i guess U are justtrolling.

不，越南并不比印度更现代，也不发达。
这种比较本身就不公平。
你怎么能比较？
1.25亿对9000万？
33万平方公里对33万平方公里？？
2.3万亿对195亿美元？
如果你还想比较说越南比较发达的话，看看一下数据：
I)印度有4.5亿人生活在中产阶级以上，是越南的5倍，他们的Avg生活比Avg越南好得多。
ii）印度太空科技是（第一个亚洲国家，也是nasa之后第二个到达火星的国家）对抗越南的太空科技。你能比较一下吗？？
iii）印度的IT技术、商业中心、创新、制造业、大型跨国公司、对抗越南的初创企业。你能比较吗？？？
iV)印度的军事、经济、政治影响力、物流、宝莱坞、媒体、体育、科技、机场、机构等……与越南的什么比较？
V)纳伦德拉莫迪（《福布斯》2015年度第9位全球最有权势的人物）与轩弗克的对决。
最后，印度的全球肌肉力量对抗越南人……你能比较一下吗？
因此，我不知道越南是如何发展起来的，因为我只知道孟买的国内生产总值比越南增长得更快。
看这两个国家都是发展中国家，我知道越南是增长最快的经济体之一，也是东南亚非常重要和突出的国家，也是印度的重要战略伙伴。
印度的问题应该得到解决，也许与印度相比，越南这个小国在农村地区有点发达（我严重怀疑）。我也不知道你去过印度的哪个地方，但不管怎么说，印度太大了，越南无法与之相比。
所以你的问题是完全错误的，我认为你只是在胡扯。

Megha
Depends on what context you're asking - economically, from atravel perspective, culturally, etc.
From a culture and travel point of view, it is almostdifficult to compare the two. Both India and Vietnam are countries blessed withstunning landscapes, sheer natural beauty, best of cuisines (maybe India takesa slight lead on this one), rich culture, beautiful cities, local traditionalvillages, rich heritage, and so much more!
Economically, India stands at a much better place thanVietnam. India is a booking IT hub, and is technologically nearly at par withthe most developed countries of the world. India is way more industrializedthan Vietnam. Also, Vietnam comes no where close to India when it comes to militarymight and overall clout in Asia.
Hope my answer was helpful!

这取决于你提出问题的背景——从经济角度、从旅游角度、文化角度等等。
从文化和旅游的角度来看，这两者几乎很难比较。印度和越南都拥有令人惊叹的风景、纯粹的自然美景、最好的美食（也许印度在这方面略有领先）、丰富的文化、美丽的城市、当地的传统村庄、丰富的遗产等等！
从经济上讲，印度比越南处于一个更好的位置。印度是一个预订IT中心，在技术上几乎与世界上最发达的国家平起平坐。印度比越南工业化得多。此外，在军事实力和亚洲整体影响力方面，越南与印度的关系并不密切。
希望我的回答有帮助！

Shumayel Liton
It's a matter of priorities.
-India is far too obsessed about its defence equipment. Itis currently the biggest importer of of defence weaponry in the world.
-It is currently engaged in a high intensity spy op inPakistan thru Balochistan, and needs to spend a lot of money which goesunaccounted for.
-India has strong caste and creed system with people likescheduled classes. These people, dalits, will over time, 1000 year laters bestill scheduled classes, since in hindu religion, a dalit cannot be equal to abrahmin or any higher caste in terms of status and money brings you status andstandard.
-India has too much population. It is growing at the fastestrate in the world and india cannot uplift these people. China has done thatthrough population control but india is not willing to do that since it willnot work in india and also that hindus in india feel threatened by growingmuslim population.
-india has most poverty in the world which contributes tobringing down the per capita considerably, although educated people might earnnormally.
Chances are that india despite its growth will never be ableto really perform as a developed country because of its inherent hodge podge ofreligions, castes, creeds, nations living there. And poverty will continue togrow and people will earn less and less since population is exploding atalarming rate.

这是个比较优势的问题。
-印度对其国防装备过于痴迷。目前，它是世界上最大的国防武器进口国。
-目前它正在巴基斯坦通过俾路支斯坦进行高强度的间谍活动，需要花费大量资金，而这些资金却下落不明。
-印度有强大的种姓和信仰制度，人们喜欢保留的阶级。这些人，达利特人，将随着时间的推移，千年后的人仍然是被设定好地位的阶级，因为在印度教中，达利特人不能等同于婆罗门或任何更高等级的地位和金钱给你带来的地位和标准。
-印度人口过多。它正在以世界上最快的速度增长，印度无法提升这些人。中国已经通过人口控制做到了这一点，但印度不愿意这样做，因为这在印度行不通，而且印度的印度教徒也感受到了穆斯林人口增长的威胁。
-尽管受过教育的人的收入可能正常，但印度的贫困程度在世界上最为严重，大大降低了人均贫困水平。
尽管印度的经济增长了，但由于其固有的宗教、种姓、信仰和民族的束缚，它永远不可能真正成为一个发达国家。由于人口以惊人的速度激增，贫穷将继续增加，人们的收入将越来越少。

Peter Topping
It is not a fare comparison to make, Vietnam is only 90million peoples, it is much more historically, culturally and social integratedas a society, it has a tightly controlled command economy that is very verygood at getting things done, it has a highly motivated work force andperipheral experience of the China manufacturer ing supply chain, theleadership has well defined national development goals and the means to deliverthem.
India is a new nation created from the British Raj of over abillion people， in a democratic federal system withweak central Government, more than 100 languages and 250 dialects with nointgrated infrastructure and a whole sub continent to contend with.
Totally differen scenarios. How ever I would say whileVietnam has been incredibly dynamic and focused since 1996 India has not. Thedecades 1979 to 1999 were wasted opportunities for India compared to China andASEAN，now she is begining to pick up her gamebut it will be hard, look at Modi struggles to pass a basic sales tax, Indianeeds national and state based nationally looking infrastructure urgently.
So Vietnam has one major back bone highway, one major railroute，one national telco，one main airline, one main language， two principal cities，5—7 regional centres, a nationaleducation system, one police, customs and civil service， one set of laws，one set of holidays, one main and 2 more minor religions but India has that inevery state.

它不是一个公平的比较,越南只有9000万人民,从历史上看,越南是文化和社会整合作为一个社会,它有严格控制的命令经济,很擅长把事情做好,人民工作积极性高,它拥有高度激励的员工队伍和中国周边制造企业供应链的经验，领导层对国家发展目标和实现这些目标的手段都很明确。
印度是一个从英国殖民统治时期独立的国家，人口超过十亿。在民主联邦体制下，中央政府力量薄弱，100多种语言和250多种方言没有融合的基础底蕴，还有一个完整的次大陆。
这是完全不同的情形。我要说的是，自1996年以来，越南的发展和专注程度令人难以置信，但印度却没有。与中国和东盟相比，印度在1979年至1999年的几十年里错失了很多机会，现在她开始学着玩游戏，但这将是困难的，看看莫迪为通过一项基本的销售税而奋斗，印度迫切需要以国家和州为基础的、面向全国的基础设施。
越南有一条重要分水岭公路,一条主要铁路路线,一家国家电信,一家主要的航空公司,一种主要的语言,两个主要城市,5-7个区域中心,一套国家教育系统,一个警察、海关公务员,一套法律,两种宗教，但印度,每一个州都至少有一套这样的体系。

Tapaswini
I have a Vietnamese friend, and she says it's nothing likethat. Yes it's a beautiful place, just like Coorg, Ooty and Jaipur and all thedifferent places here in India, but ofc they're developing nation as well.Vietnam is gorgeous, but ofc has flaws like India too. It's just that Vietnamseems to be more gorgeous to us and India would seem more gorgeous to them.

我有个越南朋友，她说越南是一个美丽的地方，就像Coorg和斋浦尔，印度也有美丽但是景色不同的地方。但印度也是发展中国家。越南是华丽的，但也像印度一样有缺陷。只是越南对我们来说更华丽，而印度对他们来说更华丽。

Anonymous
That's why Vietnamese is smarter than Indians. They arebecoming more richer than Indians. They spend their money wisely to speed upthe economical development, although there are dispute here and there too. Inparticular, Vietnam has been using India to get involved into the disputeswhere India has no disputes initially, in order to divert the dispute fromVietnam to India.

这就是越南人比印度人聪明的原因。他们正变得比印度人更富有。他们明智地把钱花在加快经济发展上，尽管在这方面也有争议。特别是，越南一直在利用印度参与争端，印度最初没有争端，目的是将争端从越南转移到印度。

Joseph Boyle
Maybe more recent development or more Chinese and Japaneseinfluence? However this is probably very dependent on where in India youvisited. Where did you see?

也许是因为最近的发展，或者是越南更多地受到中国和日本的影响？然而，这可能非常依赖于你在印度访问的地方。你在哪里看到的这些？