中国正建立它自己的加州理工学院以在创新方面与美国匹敌 [美国媒体]

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【Biophysicist Shi Yigong is leading Westlake University’s  preparation team.】

【生物物理学家施一公领导着西湖大学（Westlake University）的准备团队。】

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–]ChinaBounder 49 指标 1 天前 
“In 15 years every indicator of our university will be on a par with that of Caltech” Shi said. It “will be regarded as one of the best universities not just in Asia but around the world”.
Sure it will Bub. Especially with things like harmonized internet and ass-backwards visa laws to intice foreign talents into becoming faculty. Protip for Shi: Caltech didn't get to become Caltech by being under a government with a xenophobic attitude towards foreigners.

“施这样说道，‘15年内，我们大学的各项指标将会与加州理工学院持平，我们大学将会被认为是世界的一流大学，而不仅仅只是亚洲的一流大学。’”
呵呵，没错会变成那样的，老兄。特别在通过“和谐”的网络（可能暗讽知识产权窃取）和只引入、不引出人才的签证法案来诱使外国人才到中国任教，这所大学肯定能做到世界一流水平啦。给这位施先生一个忠告：加州理工学院之所以为加州理工学院，是因为它没在一个排外政府的控制之下。

[–]YouShouldBeWriting 12 指标 23小时前* 
They can do it if and only if pour huge amounts of money create a huge expat bubble similar to SIP in Suzhou and pay big money to attract the best of the best of the best.
Can they do it in theory? Maybe. In practice? No way.

他们的学校当然能做到世界一流的水平，但前提是、并且也只能是他们投入巨额资金来引入大量的老外泡泡（译注：指拒绝接受当地文化“足不出户”的外国人），就像苏州工业园区那样(吸引了大量老外泡泡)，然后用钱来留住其中最杰出的人才。他们这样做理论上或许可行，但实际中却绝不可能成功。
And it is simple why. The best of the best want high quality of life for them and their families feeling of permanency and normalcy and a sociolopolitical  etc that unfortunately cannot offer.

原因很简单：这些精英中的精英人才及其家属想要的是稳定、正常的高质量生活和社会政治环境等，然而中国却不可能提供得了。

[–]narsfweasels 8 指标 22小时前* 
“feeling of permanency and normalcy and a sociolopolitical environment”
I think that's a very accurate statement my friend. When on every street corner there is a cheerful old uncle shouting "FOREIGNER!" at every non-Chinese passing by then a sense of belonging is most definitely off the cards.

“这些精英中的精英人才及其家属想要的是稳定、正常的高质量生活和社会政治环境.....”
我认为你这句话说到了要点，老铁。每当外国人在街头露面的时候，在某个角落总有个兴奋的糙大叔大喊“看，是鬼佬！”，这样外国人是不可能有归属感的。

[–]YouShouldBeWriting 8 指标 22小时前* 
It starts from uncle ganbei in the corner shouting "halloooo" and ends up in the government banning shit left and right without a reason (e.g. Tattoos in soccer players) and pushing massive propaganda everywhere.
It's quite depressing actually...

（在中国的感受）从那些在某个角落喝酒干杯的糙汉子大喊着“哈喽鬼佬~~~”开始，再到各个方面政府连个理由都不给就要禁掉（比如，在中国足球运动员是不允许纹身的），更不用说到处都是的宣传标语。老实说这很令人失望...

Anyway it is not a simple thing to start a university and attract the best of the best. Caltech evolved naturally etc and has a unique culture that facilitate that innovation etc.. This feels rushed and quite asinine realy.. Who do claims like these without any standing? The claims are laughable by anyone with half a brain.

总而言之，办好一所大学并且吸引优秀人才并不是一件容易的事。加州理工学院是经历了种种自然发展才有如此地位的，并且它拥有一个独特的促进创新发展的校园文化等...中国施先生的这番言论真的让人觉得很唐突贸然并且愚蠢...谁会毫无根据地说出这种话？只要不是脑残都会觉得这番言论可笑至极。

[–]motnorote 3 指标 22小时前 
This is a really good point you are making. Leaving highly liberal institutions in the west for glorified indoctrination camps that are chinese universities is going to be a tough pill to swallow.

你所阐述的观点很棒棒。把西方这种高度自由的制度移植到中国这种像是过于美化的教化营地的大学，肯定难以结出果实。

[–]simbunch -2 指标 19小时前 
Wouldn't that be the same as the hick yelling "CHINK!" or "MUSLIM!"? That in and of itself won't discourage immigrants because it's evident that immigrants are always more motivated by money (hence so many immigrant english teachers there). What China lacks it the culture of open thought that is crucial for innovative higher fields of learning.

这跟那些乡下人大喊“中国佬！”或者“绿民！”有什么区别？这根本不会影响移民，外来移民之所以移民其目的是为了钱（这也是为啥中国有这么多教英语的外国人）。中国缺少的不是你们说的那些乱七八糟的东西，而是包容开放的文化，因为这对高等教育领域的创新至关重要。

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[–]YouShouldBeWriting 3 指标 8小时前 
High caliber academics are not English teachers. They can get money everywhere. If they come and can only use google on campus cant collaborate cause skype is banned or spotty or whatever see a couple of kids shitting in the sidestreet. You think that they will stay for long here? When they literaly have every institution in the world throwing money etc at them?

高水平的学者们可不是指英语老师。他们在任何地方都能赚钱。如果他们来中国，却只能在大学里用谷歌，因Skype或者Spotty等被禁止而不能与外界（学术）合作，仅仅就是看小孩子在路边大小便。你觉得他们会在这里呆得长久吗？待到差不多世界上的所有公共机构都向他们扔钱抛出橄榄枝的时候？
These are the people that want/have to attract in order to be the new caltech in 15 years.
Starting a grassroot institution where good young academics (hindex 8-9) are hired with potential etc and supporting and cultivating them takes TIME EFFORT MONEY a CULTURE and an EVIRONMENT most Chinese academic instituions are lacking.
It is not easy to hire the rock stars of academia and is EVEN more difficult to keep them.

他们只是些想在十五年内建立新加州理工学院以吸引眼球的人罢了。创办一个草根机构，雇用并培养那些在学术方面有潜在能力的年轻人（其论文引用次数达8-9次），是需要时间金钱和环境条件的，而这些正是中国一些学术机构所缺乏的。雇佣一个学术界的摇滚明星不容易，想要留住他更难。

[–]simbunch 0 指标 8小时前 
The Google and Skype issues are all related to the lack of an open culture though. The kids shitting in the sidestreet isn't as big an issue as you'd think. I mean just look at New York which is famous for public urination. It still attracts immigrants from everywhere because the monetary incentive is sufficient enough.

谷歌和Skype之类的软件本身都缺乏文化开放性。也许小孩子在路边大小便并不是你想象中的那么大个事，我的意思是，纽约因为随地小便而出名，但是这座城市依旧吸引着世界各地的移民，因为只需金钱激励就足够了。

[–]YouShouldBeWriting 2 指标 7小时前* 
NY is NY man. It is been in our subconsious as "the big apple" the place to be. Everything happens there. Everyone that is anyone is there etc.
Hangzhou is ... well.. a Chinese city with farmers an emerging middle class and family marts that is polluted to fuck and has some gardens.

哥们，纽约是纽约，（这不能相提并论的啊）。我们下意识叫这座城市为“大苹果城（美国纽约市的别名）”。那里什么都可能会发生。那里没有人可以代表纽约。而杭州...好吧...一个由农民、新兴中产阶级和家庭集市组成的污染忑严重有些个花园的中国城市。

And I am making this comparison without taking into account any socio-political issues (e.g. GFW China banning shit left and right) or culture (American VS Chinese) the language (where for the most part no foreigner can communicate with maybe 1% of the population if that) or the academic environemnt/culture of the institutions.
You see now why everyone wants to go to NY? And no-one gives a fuck about Hangzhou?

而且，这是在不考虑任何社会政治因素（例如：中国国家防火墙在各个方面都有严厉禁止）、文化因素（美国VS中国）、语言因素（大多数情况下，杭州人中能和外国人沟通交流的人可能连1%都不到）、或是这些机构的学术环境/文化氛围等因素的情况下。这下你懂为什么人人都想去纽约，而他丫没一人在乎杭州了吧？

[–]simbunch 2 指标 7小时前* 
“You see now why everyone wants to go to NY? And noone gives a fuck about Hangzhou?”
Not at all. Lets take Shanghai for example. Will China have another Caltech if they choose to locate it in Shanghai? Of course not because of the before mentioned lack of open thought. Are there spitting and public urination in Shanghai? Of course. And yet immigrants still flock there because "Shanghai is Shanghai man". International companies are still eager to set up in Shanghai simply because of the opportunities and monetary incentives. China as it is attracts immigrants the same way America attracts immigrants. The difference here is specific to institutions of higher learning and related to their culture of uniformity and system of censorship.

“这下你懂为什么人人都想去纽约，而他丫没一人在乎杭州了吧？”
并不完全是这样的。让我们用上海举例。如果建校地点选在上海，那中国能建立出另一个加州理工学院吗？当然不能，就如上述所提中国缺乏开放的思维。在上海会有人随地吐痰和小便吗？当然有。然而还是有很多移民聚集在上海，因为“那可是上海啊，老兄”。国际公司依旧想落户上海，因为上海机遇多且金钱激励。中国作为一个和美国一样用同样方法吸引移民的国家，其差异主要是针对高等院校，且与其文化一致性和审查制度有关。

[–]YouShouldBeWriting 1 指标 7小时前 
I agree with you.
I made the comparison between Hangzhou and NY to show that even if all is equal NY is way more attractive to high performing academic stars.

我同意你的观点。我比较了纽约和杭州，发现即使二者条件完全相同，纽约对表现优异的学术明星更具吸引力。

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[–]L2hopeful 2 指标 7小时前 
I doubt that happens a lot around Caltech.

我怀疑这在加州理工学院发生过多次。

[–]ChinaBounder 3 指标 18小时前 
I've been to SIP. I was impressed. Impressed that they spent so much effort to do it right but still managed to do it wrong. Don't get me wrong it's much nicer than most areas of even Shanghai. But I can only give them an A for effort C+ for execution.

我去过（苏州）工业园区。它给我留下了深刻印象。印象深刻是因为他们明明费了那么大功夫想要将它做好，最后却仍是做错了。别误会我的意思，它比大多数地方都好，甚至比上海都要好。但在努力方面我只能给他们打A，在执行方面打C+。

[–]heronumbertwo 1 指标 18小时前 
Why is it wrong and where did it fail?

为什么做错了，在哪块失败的？

[–]ChinaBounder 4 指标 16小时前 
The parts I saw looked like they managed to cross the worst parts of car dependent suburban sprawl with the worst parts of modern Chinese high density housing. Lots of open space between buildings but insufficient parking in the various strip malls that were not readily accessible by foot / streets too narrow to support the amount of traffic I'd expect to see during the daily rush hour plus residential developments with limited ingress / egress points which would make getting into them or out of them a nightmare during the mornings and evenings. Similarly some very nice shopping malls that clearly had been built without considering how placement of driveways into the parking garage would impact street traffic. Take a taxi you say? A serious lack of spots taxi could pull over and pick up or drop off passengers without also blocking traffic. Back to the housing- if you're going to do high density it's better to have retail on the ground floor instead of banishing it to be outside the development walls where you end up walking a couple hundred meters to get at the nearest mini mart. But then that's also a general issue I see with new apartments anywhere in China.

我看到的这些区域就像是依赖汽车出行的郊区的最差地段和现代中国高密度住宅区最差部分的混合。大楼之间有很多开放空间，但是（门前有停车场的）各小型购物中心其停车位却不足，步行路段/街道太过狭窄没法保证我所预期的交通量，日常高峰期再加上住宅开发的有限进/出入口问题使得早晚的出行就像一场噩梦。 一些非常不错的（大型）购物中心也有类似的问题，它们在建设引向停车场的车道前显然是没将不影响街道交通的这点考虑进去。哦，你说做的士？由于缺少能让的士停下车、接或送乘客的停靠点，这也造成了交通堵塞。回到住宅区方面上——如果你要（住） 高密度住宅区，最好选择那些在一楼有零售店而不是那些小区内没零售店，你最后得走个几百米才能到达最近的小型超市的住宅区。但话说回来，这也是我在中国各地新建公寓区里常见的问题。        
                                  
[–]bigbosslaowaiBest Korea 2 指标 15小时前 
Fuck the visas man. Submitted mine on 10 jan. Got it back with issue date 12jan 2018 and exp date 25 March 2018. Of course I had to pay more money to get them to fix their mistake. Was meant to be for a year.

去他丫的那些签证官。我于1月10日提交，签证拿到手时发证日期是2018年1月12日，失效日期却是2018年3月25日。当然，我不得不付更多钱以让他们改正其犯下的错误。（签证有效期）本来应该是一年之久的。

[–]simbunch 0 指标 19小时前 
Caltech didn't get to become Caltech by being under a government with a xenophobic attitude towards foreigners.
Nah the US government has traditionally (and consistently) been xenophonic towards foreigners - their actions have never caught up with their rhetoric. Hell their rhetoric has never caught up with their rhetoric.
That's not new but that itself doesn't discourage "Caltech being Caltech". What China lacks is a culture that encourages open thought without consequences. In that they are still far behind.

“加州理工学院之所以为加州理工学院，是因为它没在一个排外政府的控制之下。”
不，美国政府传统上（且一贯地）排外——他们总是言行不一。天了噜，他们言辞花俏满口谎言。这并不是什么新鲜事，但这本身并不妨碍“加州理工学院达成如今的地位”。中国所缺乏的是一种鼓励不计后果的开放思想文化。在这一点上，他们仍然远远落后。

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[–]ChinaBounder 9 指标 18小时前 
Nah the US government has traditionally (and consistently) been xenophonic towards foreigners
So xenophobic that even under the current administration this year tens of thousands of foreigners will be allowed to gain USA citizenship. It's true at times if you're the wrong kind of foreigner you're going to be less welcome than others. Compare this to China where 外国人 are at best tolerated but will never be fully assimilated.

“不，美国政府传统上（且一贯地）排外......”
如此排外以至于即使在现任总统特朗普的管理下，今年仍有数以万计的外国人得以加入美国国籍。有时作为一个身处另册的外国人的确会比某些特定的外国人受到更少的礼遇。和中国比较，反之中国，其对外国人的宽容度极高，但外国人想完全融入其中却是困难重重。

[–]simbunch 0 指标 18小时前 
It's true at times if you're the wrong kind of foreigner you're going to be less welcome than others.
It's the same in China. Assuming you're non-Asian then somebody like me (who looks like them) would definitely be more welcomed and be more assimilated than you since you'd be considered the "wrong kind of foreigner" to them.

“有时作为一个身处另册的外国人的确会比某些特定的外国人受到更少的礼遇。”
在中国也是如此。假设你没有一张亚洲脸，像我这样（长相接近亚洲人）的人自然会比你更受欢迎，比你能更融入当地生活，因为你是被当地人打入另册的“外国人。”

China has thousands of years of racial homogeneity heritage though. They did not start off as a diverse nation made up of immigrants. Differences in immigration policy is as much a historical issue as much as a political one.

中国有千年的种族同质性思想史。中国从来就不是一个由移民组成的多元化国家。中国与众不同的移民政策既有历史原因，又有政治原因。

[–]Jezzdit 9 指标 1 天前 
more like copytec...amirite

更像是……抄能学院，我说的对嘛？

[–]impossinatorHong Kong 4 指标 21小时前 
Who the hell is going to teach there that matters?

问题是谁会去那儿教书啊？

[–]bigbosslaowaiBest Korea 3 指标 15小时前 
I'd say at least one B class laowai bundled in with the whites face Russians and Ukrainians.

我打赌这其中会有几个来自俄罗斯或乌克兰的长着白人面孔的B级老外.....

[–]papabear_kr 2 指标 15小时前 
Some news story will tell you that professor xyz of the sip is the next Stephen Hawking

某些新闻会大肆吹捧：某某某教授是下一个史蒂夫·霍金！

[–]groinbag 2 指标 17小时前 
As a place to funnel stolen tech through I'm sure it'll be a roaring success.

在一个鼓励剽窃技术的国度我相信此类学院必定大获成功。