日本停止资助，莫迪总理的子弹头列车梦脱轨 [美国媒体]

PM Modi’s Bullet Train Dream Derails after Japan Stops Funding

日本停止资助，莫迪总理的子弹头列车梦脱轨



[–]kash_if 136 points 15 hours ago
JICA's decision to stop funding, for now, seems to have been taken in light of a letter written by some farmers of Gujarat, alleging the negligence of social and environmental concerns in the acquisition process. They also moved the Gujarat High Court, challenging the NHRCL's land acquisition process.
The letter to JICA seeks to stop funding till the government address the farmers' concerns. The farmers have also invited the Japan ambassador to India to visit the affected areas to understand the situation.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/pm-modi-bullet-train-faces-new-hurdle-as-japanese-agency-stops-funding/story/282798.html
That was smart of them!

“日本国际协力机构暂时停止资助的原因是古吉拉特邦的一些农民写信给该机构称在土地收购过程中忽视了社会和环境影响。他们还感动了古吉拉特邦高等法院，挑战相关机构的土地收购过程。
给日本国际协力机构的信件要求停止资助直到政府解决了农民的担忧为止。农民们还邀请日本驻印度大使访问受影响的区域以了解情况。“
这些农民可真聪明！



[–]fekahua 2 points 7 hours ago
India doesn't produce oil or any viable Aerospace products, we have to import it all.
Not entirely true. We are exporters of refined petroleum and aircraft parts. Energy/Pollution efficiency arguments are something I'd be willing to listen to in 2050, when we have a magic economy that can do anything, not in 2018.
The biggest thing is that this is NOT going to replace air travel unless it is economically more viable - which it is not, so even your biggest plus point doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

“印度没有生产石油或者可行的航空产品，都得进口。”
不全是。我们还出口精炼石油和飞机部件。能源/污染效率问题我觉得可以在2050年的时候再来谈论，届时我们将拥有神奇的经济，可以解决一切问题，现在没必要谈论。
问题的子弹头列车无法取代飞机，除非子弹头列车票价更便宜，但并不更便宜。

[–]noob_finger2 2 points 7 hours ago*
I am not the guy you replied to but I have already given your query to "we'll have bullet train only when we'll have a magic economy" in one of my previous comments. I ll copy paste-
High Speed Railway in China started functioning in 2008,15 years before India is proposing to inaugurate (2022). India's GDP per capita at PPP_per_capita) will be $10,846 as per IMF estimates. China's GDP per capita in 2008 was $7583 PPP.
In other words, India's per capita income in 2022 will be 33% more than that of China in 2008 i.e. when China launched its High Speed railway. We both would be at the same economic level when the first High speed railway will run. You may also find consolation in the fact that India is bringing out it's poor out of poverty at a rapid rate. (Multidimensional poverty report was on the front page of this sub, like 2 days ago).
Edit- Also, this is going to challenge short route air travel. HSR really shines in 400-600km range. Equivalent/less time, more leg space, similar price are the consumer benefits.

你说当我们拥有神奇经济后才能拥有子弹头列车。我对此表示怀疑。
中国高铁在2008年开始运行，而印度要到2022年才开始，中国早了15年。据国际货币基金组织国际，2022年印度人均gdp将达到10846美元（购买力平价）。中国2018年的人均GDP是7583美元（购买力平价）。
换言之，到2022年印度人均收入将比中国2018年的水平高出33%，也就是中国开始运营子弹头列车那一年。当我们的首条子弹头列车开始运营时，我们将处于同样的经济水平。而且印度目前的脱贫速度很快。
而且会对短途航空旅行造成挑战。高铁在400-600公里的范围内是很有优势的。相同或者更少的时间，更多的腿部空间，类似的价格。



[–]fekahua 2 points 7 hours ago*
Chinese HSR is NOT a mistake
Time will tell, HSR's debt is 5% of China's massive GDP and its revenues (not profit!) make up about 0.2% of the cost annually - if India's system runs as efficiently as China's that's not even enough to pay the 0.1% interest on the debt (!).
Of course it's not a mistake for the people using it right now, it'll be a mistake for the people who will have to pay it off eventually.

“中国的高铁不是一个错误”
时间会证明一切的，高铁债务占据中国GDP的5%，每年的收入只占据成本的0.2%。如果印度铁路也像中国那么高效，甚至不够支付0.1%的债务利息。
当然，对于现在正在使用高铁的人来说这不是一个错误，但是最终需要付出代价的不是他们。