加州脱美：加州有可能脱离美国吗？ [美国媒体]

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SACRAMENTO Calif. --- After Donald Trump was elected as the 45th president of the United States many Californians voiced their disapproval by calling for California to secede from the U.S.

萨克拉门托卡利夫报道，在川普当选第45任美国总统后，许多加州人民发声表示不同意，他们要求加州从美国脱离出去。

But can California actually secede from the United States?

但是图样的加州人民真的以为可以从联邦政府脱离吗？

In 1961 McDonald County Mo. briefly became McDonald Territory after attempting to secede from the state of Missouri. More recently a movement in Texas called for a #Texit from the United States and several northern California cities have proposed a State of Jefferson separated from California.

1961年麦克唐纳县曾经短暂的从密苏里州独立，拥有自己的领土。 最近的脱离联邦运动是德克萨斯州脱离美利坚运动，以及几个加州北部城市提出来的脱离加州管理组建一个新的杰佛逊州运动。

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In California a political group dubbed the Yes California Independence Campaign is using the Trump win as an opportunity to breathe life into their crusade to make California an independent country. The group hopes to put a referendum on a 2018 ballot that will allow Californians to make the choice to #Calexit once and for all.

在加州一个“Yes California”独立运动政治组织将川普的获胜视为给他们为推动加州成为独立国家的“脱离”运动带来生气的绝好机会。这个组织希望能在2018年推动一项“#Calexit”全民公投让加州人对是否脱离美联邦做一次彻底的选择。

注：“#Calexit”是从英国脱欧话题标签“Brexit”演变而来的加州脱美标签，用于探讨加州独立的事情。

But states hopes of succession are nothing more than California Dreamin' according to David A. Carrillo Executive Director of the California Constitution Center at the University of California Berkeley Law.

但是加利佛尼亚伯克利分校法学院-加州宪法中心执行董事David A. Carrillo认为承继国家的希望（即加州独立）只不过是一个“加州梦”而已

"There is no legal basis for a state to secede from the unx." Carrillo said. "The U.S. Constitution (A4s3) has a procedure for adding new states or subdividing existing states--both require Congress to consent. But there is no procedure at all in the U.S. constitution for a state to secede."

Carrillo说：“一个州从美国联邦脱离并没有法律基础，美国宪法只规定了新的州如何加入联邦以及如何将已有的州分割的程序——这两个程序都需要经过国会通过。但是在整个美国宪法中都没有对一个州如何退出联邦的程序进行阐明。”

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In Texas v. White in 1869 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that states cannot secede.

在1869年德克萨斯州诉怀特案时，美国联邦最高法院规定州政府不能脱离联邦。

California's own Constitution (A3s1) states that "The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States of America and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land."

加利福尼亚州的州宪法（第三条第一款）指出：“加利福尼亚州是美利坚合众国不可分割的一部分，美利坚合众国宪法是国家的根本大法。”

Carrillo also discussed the probability and previous outcomes from other states.

Carrillo也谈到了加州独立的可能性和其他州之前谋求独立的结果。

"It's extremely unlikely California could secede legally or otherwise." he said. "A group of states tried that once. It ended very badly for them."

他表示：“无论是否通过合法手段，加州独立都是根本不可能的。有几个州曾经尝试过独立，但都以失败告终。”


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Andrew McLeish R26; 12 hrs 
Good let them go. But they take their sjare of the debt with them. Without California's electoral votes democrats would not win another presidential election.

好的，就让他们离开吧。但是请他们先还清他们的债务。没有加州的选票后，民主党将再也不会赢得总统选举了。

David Stephenson R26; Wilfred Laurier University R26; 11 hrs 
And without California's taxes the midwest would go bankrupt

然而没有加州交的税之后，中西部就垮了。

Golden Cobra R26; 1 hr 
David Stephenson WRong David. Most of the water and electricity CA uses comes from out of state. The USA would have CA by the balls.

加州享用的水资源和电力都是从其他州输送过来的。我大美利坚可是抓住加州的蛋蛋啊。

Andrew McLeish R26; 35 mins
David Stephenson When you get rid of CA we can go back to real capitalism and the economy will soar.

David Stephenson摆脱加州之后，我们就可以回归真正的资本主义了，并且我们的经济会飙升起来。

John James R26; Pittsburgh Pennsylvania R26; 15 mins
Golden Cobra ...a lot of their power comes from Vernal Utah...Bonanza Power.

金色眼镜蛇...很大一部分给他们的电力都是从犹他州弗纳尔市送过去的...Bonanza发电厂。（美国顶级发电厂之一）

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Oscar Xavier R26; 10 mins
David Stephenson Stick to Canadian beliefs -eh? You must have just read that somewhere about them paying more than their fair share of taxes. Nonsense they don't pay enough and are subidized at every turn.

David Stephenson坚持加拿大人的信仰？额...你一定是在某些地方看到他们上交了超过他们应负担的税务。鬼扯啦！他们每次税都没交全甚至还拿了补贴。

Victor Falco R26; Solution/Systems Architect at Rabobank R26; 11 hrs 
Why not embrace the movement to split CA into multiple states so that people are better represented? Why are you not covering the State of Jefferson movement? More left wing biased BS from another media elite. We know who you are.

为什么不推动将加州分割成多个州的运动，这样人民就可以更好地被代表了？为什么不报道杰佛逊州运动？又是精英媒体所搞的左翼偏见文章。我们都知道你是什么人。

Bob Smith R26; 7 hrs
One day the 9.0 will hit Los Angeles and S.F. will have a lot less democrats.

总有一天九级地震会来袭，届时洛杉矶和旧金山的民主党人会更少。

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Robert Dennis R26; Chief Executive Officer at Retired R26; 6 hrs
But before the God driven earthquake that crumbles california the midwest will be dealing with the man-made earthquakes destroying thier world created by the fracking that makes money for the rich on the pockets of the poor white trash working for nothing because they have no other choice! But again all think that trump is the answer....!

但是在天灾地震摧毁加州前，中西部也将忙于应付破坏他们安稳生活的由水力压裂造成的人为地震。正是这样的原因，让那群富人从穷人口袋里拿钱。可怜的穷困白人幸苦工作却得不到回报，因为他们别无办法！但是都仔细想想，川普就是问题的根源！

John James R26; Pittsburgh Pennsylvania R26; 16 mins
Robert Dennis ..become educated before you post. The depth of fracking is below the water table but no where near the Earthquake causing plates.

回楼上……回帖之前读点书！水力压裂的深度位于浅水面，完全触及不到引发地震的板块。

Ronald Butler R26; 3 mins
John James and if you think fracking is good for ground water you need to do some research!

回楼上，如果你认为水力压裂对地下水有益处的话去做些调查再说话！

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Marsha Luthenauer R26; University of Tennessee Knoxville R26; 1 hr 
They already have been bankrupt and couldn't pay government employees so good luck on your own!

他们早已经破产了，都不能支付公务员的薪资了。所以祝你们自己好运！

Bill Mills R26; 53 mins 
This would be the best thing for America. In fact we'll give you the whole west coast move all the liberals over to that reservation and then build a wall. Then watch them all kill each other.

对美国来说这将会是最好不过的事儿了。事实上，我们可以把整个西海岸都给你们，让所有的独立派人士都搬过去然后再修个墙。看你们在里面自相残杀。

John James R26; Pittsburgh Pennsylvania R26; 15 mins
LOL...good one. If no one visited those states they would definitely go bankrupt. Ever take a look at their Hotel and other in state services targetting tourists?

大笑……这个好。如果没人去那些州旅游他们绝对会破产。有人看过他们酒店和其他针对游客的服务吗？


Robert McBride R26; Xavier University R26; 48 mins +1
California should propose an amendment to the US constitution describing how any state can elect to succeed.

加州说不定可以对美国宪法提一个修正法案，说明一下其他任何州怎么投票成功独立。（233）

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Joe Chaney R26; 43 mins 
only the big cities in Cali need to secede. the rurals are all conservative but held hostage.

只有加州的大城市需要脱离美国，加州乡村地区都是保守派的，只不过是被大城市绑架了。

Tom Roberts Sr. R26; 17 mins
ny too

纽约州也是如此。

Rhonda L. Domineker R26; Consultant at Self-Employed R26; 42 mins 
HAHAHAHAHAHAH.... are you serious? If California seceded from the US here would be a race to see which way they would collapse first. 1. collapse under the weight of their own debt or 2. their economy would collapse as they would not be able to provide the agricultural commoddities for export because they wouldn't have the resources to irrigate their crops. They would have to build huge desalination plants merely to provide water for houses and industry because the out of state sources for water could be cut off. But their credit rating would tank so that they couldn't borrow the money to build those desalination systems.
Hey California-- you go for it.

哈哈哈，你是认真的吗？如果加州脱离美国的话，大家将抢着围观他们会先以何种方式崩溃：1、加州会因为其自身的不堪重负的债务而崩溃；2、由于没有足够的水资源来灌溉农作物，他们将无法提供用于出口的农产品，加州的经济会因此而崩溃。因为州外的水源可能会被切断，即便他们修建了大型的海水淡化厂，那也只不过是刚刚足够提供家庭和工业用水而已。然而，他们的信用评级会直线下跌，因而甚至会难以借到修建海水淡化系统所需的贷款。
嘿，加利福尼亚，你们尽管试试吧。

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Denis Sand R26; 38 mins 
Bye. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

再见。出门的时候别让它撞到你屁股。

Greg Girvan R26; 33 mins 
All I can say is I hope so. Good riddance!

我能说的是我希望这样，这是个很好的摆脱！

Clayton Spangenberg R26; VP and COO at SLS Enterprises Inc. R26; 31 mins 
Michelle Disbrow doesn't understand - the bills you pay are for liberal programs which the majority of the Midwest doesn't use - other than Chicago St. Louis and oteher big cities. Please - secede and take your liberals in Hollywood with you. We in the Midwest can get along just wine without your rioters and illegal aliens. Your 55 Democratic electoral votes that you take with you will sink the Democratic party forever. 

你们所缴纳的用来建设自由主义项目的税金都被用在了少数几个大城市身上，比如芝加哥，圣路易斯和其他大城市，而中西部的大部分地方都没有受益。所以请脱离吧，顺便带走你们在好莱坞的自由主义者。没有你们这些暴徒和非法移民，我们中西部照样过得好好的。你们脱离后，所带走的55票也让民主党永世不得超生。

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Andrew Armstrong R26; Westlake High School R26; 25 mins 
Good
They may be a big economy but they are also a huge producer of debt.
get rid of em

很好。他们也许是一个大的经济体但他们同时也是一个巨型债务生产机器。（让我们）摆脱他们。

Ken Scott R26; Works at University of Kentucky Medical Center R26; 24 mins 
Sweet! Where can I sign their petition? Sooner the better. Let's all pitch in and help build a wall around the state so they can't ever infect our population again with their idiocy.

漂亮！我该去哪签他们的这个请愿？越快越好！让我们都行动起来建墙把这个州围起来，这样我们的人口就不会被他们的愚蠢给感染了。

John James R26; Pittsburgh Pennsylvania R26; 14 mins
Take a look at the electoral college map. The LEFT coast is where the Liberals rack up the "popular" vote they whine about.....all other areas with the exception of New England and NY are red and totally self reliant from our over stuffed Centralized Federal Govt. Please do the rest of us a big favor and leave.

看了一眼投票地图。 “左”海岸是自由派支持他们不停抱怨的“大众”投票的地方……除了新英格兰和纽约，其他所有地方都是红色的并且完全不依赖于我们“过于臃肿”集权的联邦政府。所以请你们给剩下的我们帮个忙滚蛋吧。

James John R26; 8 mins
I live in CA and I can tell you CA is comprised of a lot of whiners and babies who throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way.
CA is a dysfunctional state run by dysfunctional people.

我就住在加州，我可以告诉你加州充斥着发牢骚的人和事情不如的他们愿就乱发脾气的没长大的“小孩儿“
加州是一个被非理智的人们管理的机能残缺的州。