dota2俄罗斯战胜lgd，胜者组3只中国队1只俄罗斯队，俄罗斯人现在又是西方人了！ [美国媒体]

The International 7 - Quarterfinals 4 - LGD Gaming vs Virtus.Pro

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胜者组

liquid（欧洲） vs ig（中国） 1:2
newbee（中国） vs eg（美国）2:0
lfy（中国） vs tnc（东南亚）2:0
lgd（中国） vs vp（俄罗斯）0:2


NA brothers, we Putin now.（应该是欧洲人）

北美的兄弟们，我们现在都是普京的人了。

Vladimir Putin must have given them some of his special vodka stash there is no other explanation.

不必说，普京必须会给他们一些他的特制珍藏伏特加

vp=vladimir putin confirmed

vp=普京钦点

Calling the Russian team 'western' is an extremely dota thing

说俄罗斯队是西方队可真dota

Arguing that Russian teams are eastern is as Dota as it gets.

争论俄罗斯队是东方队也挺dota的啊

Yeah, "East vs West" should be more accurately called "China vs the World"

是滴，东方对抗西方更准确的说法是中国对抗世界吧

Welcome to TI7 aka everybody hates China.

欢迎来到ti7之人人都恨中国队

Russia defended the West from Asian invasion in multiple occasions. The capital and most other important Russian cities are in the West. Even today as the western countries are self-destructing, welcoming an invading foreign horde into Europe, the Russians oppose it. As far as I'm concerned Russia is more western than modern Germany or France.

俄罗斯多次阻止了西方入侵亚洲。俄罗斯的首都和大多数其他的重要城市都在西方。即使在今天，西方国家自取灭亡的欢迎着外国人对欧洲的入侵，俄罗斯人依然是反对的。俄罗斯是比德国和法国更西方的地方。

... it's not 1941, dude. (that's an incredibly risky comment)

。。。现在不是1941了，兄弟（这个评论很危险）

^ found the racist Trump voter

发现了个川普种族歧视的支持者

Kinda like everyone not from Korea is called "Foreigner" in the starcraft pro scene

有点像在星际里，所有不是韩国人的玩家都被称作外国人

And Korean LoL domination is only held back by the Worlds format (max 3 Korean teams out of 16), though they still don't lose to "foreign" teams in the playoffs at all.

就像韩国lol只能拥有3个名额来阻止他们，但就算这样他们依然不会输给所谓的外国队

I would be okay if they said the last Non-China hope or something like that.
Calling them "the West" is just unnecessarily ignorant.

如果他们说最后一只非中国队的希望种子或者其他类似的话，我还是ok的
但叫他们是西方队就是一种不必要的无知了

Look at the style of architecture and the history of where they borrowed a ton from Italy, France, Germany, etc. They have their own element of style but they're definitely more western than anything else.
not to mention the majority religion is Christianity (Orthodox), something often connected with the west and even considered the foundation in some cases. Modern politics don't change over a thousand years of history.

咱们看看他们的建筑风格和他们从意大利，法国，德国等国家借来的一顿多重的历史。可以说他们有自己的风格，但他们也绝对比其它东西更西方
更不用说他们主要的宗教是基督教（东正教），这些都和西方有联系，甚至在某些情况下来说是他们的基础。现代政治改变不了1000年的历史

Are you even serious ? Before the Cold War i'm pretty sure anyone would ve considered 90% of the CIS countries, even Russia, as European. CIS is political shit at the end of the day. Werent Russians Aristocrats speaking french in the 18/19th century ?

你是认真的吗？在冷战之前我可以确定苏联所有人中90%都认为自己是欧洲人。这一天的结束是在苏联政局完蛋的时候，难道不是俄罗斯贵族在18,19世纪时代是说法语的吗？

We were Europeans untill Communists. Now they are no more. And russian people becoming more and more "European-minded". We have close bounds with Europe.

我们曾经是欧洲人直到共产主义的到来。现在那些人不多了。俄罗斯人变得越来越欧洲思维，我们现在与欧洲有着紧密的联系

Peter the First sure tried to make Russia into a European country in the early 1700s. And it pretty much was, until communism took over and everything got complicated.

彼得大帝在17世纪时，想要让俄罗斯变成一个欧洲国家。直到共产主义的接管，所有事情变得复杂了

it's just non China at this point, salty group A fans would label TNC "western" if they were the last one standing instead of VP

其实就是想要个非中国队，如果胜者组最后剩下的不是vp是tnc（东南亚队），一些A组的粉丝也会说tnc是西方队

Its desperation. People need to mush up NA, EU and CIS together to have a chance of looking good compared to China.

这很绝望好吧。人们要把北美，欧洲，独联体组合在一起才能让他们看起来和中国有可比性

CHINA NUMBA WAN

懂得都懂，中国第一哈

Its from old TI where you had west and east qualifiers. West was EU, NA and CIS

这些来自老ti，那时候东方和西方的具体词的意思。西方是欧洲，北美，独联体

Well it makes sense because the NA, EU, and CIS regions together have roughly the same population of all of China.

没错，因为北美，欧洲，独联体加起来和中国人数差不多好吧

Nope. The combined userbase of Dota2 between NA, EU and CIS is bigger than that of China.

不对，北美，欧洲，独联体的dota2玩家都比中国多

Do you have a source for that? I'm not doubting it's true, I just want to know what the region breakdown looks like.

你有来源吗？我没有怀疑这是假的，我只想看看区域划分具体是怎么样的

https://dota.rgp.io/

我看不懂好吧。。。

It's fair to mush up NA and EU and call it "Western," but to call CIS "Western" means you didn't pay attention during US history class.

有一说一好吧，北美欧洲被说是西方是可以的，但你说独联体是西方的话你上美国历史课一定没好好听

Would it not be more appropriate to take wisdom from the Russian, European or the world history classes. Cause y' know, you in that sense you Americans are really the new kids on the block.

从俄罗斯，欧洲，或者世界历史课中学点知识不是更合适吗？因为你要知道，在某种意义上来说，你们美国就是个新来者（雏）

This is funny logic. So we in the EU would then be... center? Or are we east because we're closer to Russia than to you guys?

逻辑真的很可笑。所以我们欧洲是世界中心？或者我们也是东方的？因为我们离俄罗斯比你们近？

I said it's fair to mush up NA and EU and call it "Western." So why would EU be "center"?

我说的是公平的说北美和欧洲是西方的。我那里说欧洲是中心了？

US history class.
ah yes, because western = american?

美国历史课
呵呵，因为西方=美国？

If you want to go there, no. Western does not equal American, and Western does not include Russia.

如果你要这么说的话，不。西方不等于美国，但西方也不包括俄罗斯（If you want to go there, no不知道这么翻译对不对）

Indeed. But still its not really East vs West, because East is only China, so it is till a way to inflate the importance of "western" teams.

确实。但这同样不是东西方的对决，因为东方只有中国，所以这也就是想要夸大西方队伍的重要性而已

VP representing USA

vp代表美国出战！

West = NA, I thought this was common knowledge 4Head

西方=美国，我想成了你的常识了，呵呵

VP SAVING THE WEST!

vp是守卫西方文明的大救星！

Russia is not the West lol

俄罗斯不是西方的lol

Russia part of Europe, end story

俄罗斯是欧洲的一部分，完结

I wouldn't exactly categorize it as "east". At least the part that plays in eu servers Obviously geographically they're more in the east, but culturally I think they're way closer to us westeners(literally my neighbouring country) than what you'd generally think as east(korea, china, sea)

我不会把俄罗斯分类成东方，尽管在欧洲服务器中他们他们的地理位置显而易见的在东方更多，但是他们在文化上比你认为所谓的东方（比如韩国，中国，东南亚）更接近我们（他是我字面上的邻国）

Lets settle them being the middle then if China is east and EU is west.

如果说中国是东方，欧洲是西方的话就让他们在中间吧

How is Russia the west?

俄罗斯怎么成西方了呢

In Dota not China or SEA is "west", since they play on EU servers. They're obviously not really west but we need to reach a bit from time to time.

在dota里，中国和东南亚都不是西方，俄罗斯在欧洲服务器上游戏。他们不是真的西方，但是我们需要时不时的接触一些

In dota it sort of is since it's the sister region of Europe. In dota west is everything west of like India.

在dota里我们是姐妹地区。在dota里的西方，所有地方都是西方就像印度

In terms of culture not location

是指的文化不是地理

How is Russia similar in culture?
Everyone who knows anything about history or politics just cringed at your comment.
Cold War anyone?

俄罗斯文化上怎么相像了？
所有人只要学过历史或者政治的都会在你的评论下感到沮丧
冷战还有人记得了？

Dude, it's 2017.

兄弟，已经2017了

Dude, Russia is still considered the East in 2017. Why do you think Russian teams often have the nickname of the beast of the EAST?
Politicians refer to Russians as part of the east. Historians refer to Russians as part of the east.

兄弟，就算2017俄罗斯也是东方的。为什么俄罗斯队伍的外号总被称为东方野兽？
政治家和历史学家都会把俄罗斯称为东方的一部分

Dude, u are talking bullshit. Please, остановись, не позорься.

兄弟，你在扯淡。请，停下来，不要羞辱我们。

How is it not? Almost 80% of the population lives in Europe.

为什么俄罗斯不是西方呢？80%独联体的人口都在欧洲

CIS is ex-Soviet Union. Soviet Union was not part of "The West" during the Cold War.

独联体就是前苏联。在冷战中苏联不是西方的一部分

What does the Cold War have to do with it? Russian culture is part of Western culture. The Russian Empire was a western country.

冷战和这个有什么关系吗？俄罗斯文化也是西方文化的一部分。俄罗斯帝国也是西方国家

OK, you are trying to argue that Russia is a part of West because let's forget about what happened in Russia between 1922 and 1991. Really?

好，好，好，你想试图说俄罗斯是西方的一部分，因为让我们忘记了发生在1922到1991年发生的一切就可以了，真的吗？

okay so you wouldnt call e.g. czech team "the west" just because they were on the wrong side during cold war? LMAO

好的，那你不会说eg这个捷克队伍是西方的，就因为他们在冷战中站在了错误的一遍？mmp

Czech Socialist Republic wasn't a part of the Soviet Union.
Czech Republic isn't a part of CIS.
Czech Republic joined the EU in 2004.

捷克社会主义共和国不是苏联的一部分
捷克共和国不是独联体的一部分
捷克共和国在2004加入和欧盟

But we're not talking geopolitics here. We're talking Dota, and EU, NA, and CIS have always been considered the West.

但我们这里说的不是地缘政治。我们说的是dota，欧洲，北美，独联体都是西方的一部分

NA and EU of course can be grouped together. Look at how many teams have both NA and EU players together: EG, DC (TI6), Secret (TI6), Cloud 9, OG (TI6), list goes on and on.
But for CIS teams, how many have NA and EU players on them? It was really just Na'Vi with Kuro. That tells you that you shouldn't group CIS together with NA and EU.

北美和欧洲可以是一边的。看看有多少队伍是这样组成的：eg，dc，秘密，c9，og，列表越来越多了
但是看看有多少独联体队伍里面有欧洲，北美队员？只有navi里面的kuro。这告诉你不应该把独联体和北美，欧洲放在一起

That's because Russians generally are not as fluent in English as other Europeans. But, the age old struggle in Dota has always been East vs West, East being China, and West being all other regions.

因为俄罗斯人不想其他欧洲人那样有流利的英语，但是在dota早年间，一直是东方对抗西方，东方是中国，西方是所有其他地区