为什么大约有100万人口的中国中等规模城市无聊透顶？ [美国媒体]

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Meanwhile any city in Europe or NA with a similar population has a lot to offer
What's deal?

相比之下，有着差不多人口规模的任何一个欧洲或北美城市却有很多娱乐玩耍的地方，这是怎么一回事儿？


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–]BillyBattsShinebox 
Some other people have given good reasons but another reason is that most European cities with a million people have had fairly high populations for a long time now and are full of old well established streets and entertainment areas and have had populations of people wealthy enough to go to such places for a long time.

其他一些人给出充分的理由。但另一个原因是大多数欧洲城市人口在很长一段时间维持在百万级别这一相当高的水平，这这些地方充满了古老的街道和娱乐区，长久以来，人们都足够富有，有钱去这些地方消费。

On the other hand the population of most cities in China has exploded over the past few decades and the vast majority of all Chinese cities have been completely destroyed and replaced with high rises. The cities that haven't exploded in population/are still mostly old tend to be extremely poor horrible places to live that nobody wants to live in. Even in the bigger cities it is only fairly recently that relatively large numbers of people have been able to afford to go out and have fun.

另一方面，中国大多数城市的人口在过去的几十年里发生了爆炸式的增长，绝大多数的中国老城已经完全被摧毁，取而代之的是高楼大厦。那些没有人口爆炸的城市，仍然大多是老旧的城市，它们都是非常贫穷可怕的地方，没有人愿意住在这些地方。即使在较大的城市，也只是最近才有相当多的人能够负担得起外出玩乐的花费。

But yeah I know what you mean. Most cities of 1 million people in China have next to nothing beyond KTV restaurants and majiang in the park whereas my hometown of 300k people has a good 100 or so bands playing across the city every Friday/Saturday night literally hundreds if not thousands of bars and pubs a bunch of quality museums and historical sites scattered around the place etc etc. It really is no comparison in terms of nightlife and entertainment.

但我知道你的意思。在中国大多数城市的100万人一无所有。除了KTV餐馆和在公园里打麻将而我的家乡30万人就组织起了很好的乐队，数量粗略估计在100左右。每周五周六晚上，这些乐队在城市的各个角落里演奏，即使没有上千个，也有数百个的酒吧和夜店，还有一众高质量的博物馆和历史遗迹等等。相比之下中国的夜生活和娱乐实在是等于没有。

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[–]guorbatschow 
To be fair Chinese people entertain themselves differently than Europeans too. 100 bars in a 1M city simply will not get enough business.

公平地说，中国人的娱乐方式与欧洲人不同。100个酒吧在100万人口的中国城市里根本就没有足够的生意。

[–]BillyBattsShinebox
Good point. Same as having 100 KTVs in a city of 1 million in Lithuania I guess.

好点。我想，在一个100万人口的立陶宛城市里，有100个ktv是效果一样的。

[–]nincludEuropean unx
No public and free cultural events no festivalsno free public parksno public concertsno theatresno operas... The only thing you can do for free is to visit shopping malls. China is a cultural desert.

没有任何公共和自由的文化活动没有任何的节日，没有公共公园，没有公共剧院，没有戏剧。你唯一可以免费做的事情就是参观购物中心。中国是一个文化沙漠。

[–]TakeBeerBenchinHilux 
Plenty of mah-jong parlors gambling dens and rooster fighting pits if you know where to look

如果你知道去哪里找，你就能在中国找到很多麻将馆，赌博窝点和斗鸡场。

[–]SprawlhackerUnited States 
And people say they don't want to move to China after reading these comments?

有没有人说他看完这些评论后就不要搬到中国去了?

[–]ting_bu_dongUnited States  
You left out masagees and KTVs.

你遗漏了按摩和KTV

[–]TakeBeerBenchinHilux 
Forgive me. Add KTV/Brothels and happy ending massages.

是哦，还有ktv和妓院，以及最后大家都开心的按摩。

[–]LaoSh 
yup dog fighting is more the flavour in the north.

是的，斗狗更多的是北方人的活动。

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[–]iwazaruu 
I really miss tailgating before a concert

我真的想念音乐会开始前的车尾聚餐会。

[–]dandmcdUnited States 
Tailgating in general. No one gives a fuck about sports here unless China is winning at something. Even those who like the NBA usually don't really watch they just have their favorite stars and casually pay attention. Even in podunk town USA you usually have a local sports team to go out and have fun watching and university sports to go party and enjoy the pubs and football action.
Also I really miss summer music festivals. China is so lame for music.

除非中国在某项运动上取得冠军，否则中国人是不会关心体育的。即使是那些喜欢NBA的人也不怎么看，只是喜欢某个球星罢了，也只是偶尔关注一下。而即使是在美国的无名小镇里，当地都会成立一支运动队，看大学运动会，去参加派对，享受酒吧和橄榄球。
我真的想念夏季音乐节。中国真是音乐沙漠。

[–]darcmoschUnited States 
There are free public parks. There are cultural events. There are theaters and operas. Just because your circle of friends never hear about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

这里有免费的公共公园。有文化活动。这里有剧院和歌剧。仅仅因为你的朋友圈从来没有听说过他们并不意味着他们不存在。

[–]nincludEuropean unx 
It's far in terms of quality from.what I can get in a European city. There are no cultural policies in China excepted when it's related to.state propaganda..

从质量上来说和我能在欧洲的城市里享受到的差远了。在中国，除了与国家宣传相关的文化政策外，没有其他的文化政策。

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[–]xiefeilaga 
China actually has some really good cultural products outside of the government's orbit but a combination of much lower incomes and crappy government policy means you're not going to see much if any of it in the small cities.

实际上在政府的势力范围之外中国是有一些真真优秀的文化产品的，哪怕其中有一些存在于小城市中，但因为低得多的收入水平和垃圾的政策使得你无法接触到很多。

[–]darcmoschUnited States  
Yeah those are more underground but I still can find what I'm into. I was talking about how people were that there are NONE of those things. I wasn't making any comparison just commenting on the problem is people not wanting to leave their bubbles not that there are a lack of things to do.

是的，那些更加地下化，但我仍然能够找到我感兴趣的。我之前所说针对的是那些认为不存在地下优秀艺术的人们。我并不是在作什么比较，只是对于人们不愿意离开他们虚妄的小世界作出评论，我也并不是说他们无所事事。

[–]GuessImStuckWithThisGreat Britain 
Basically anyone interesting or intelligent gravitates to a bigger city or goes abroad because smaller cities don't have enough white collar jobs

基本上任何有趣和聪明的人都会被更大的城市吸引过去或者干脆出国，因为小城市无法提供足够的白领工作。

[–]HarRob 
I've asked this a lot and the best answer I got: after a famine and a revolutionary cultural experience people value 1) food 2) stability. You'll find plenty of people willing to splurge on a big dinner before getting into bed at exactly 9pm.

我已经问过多次这样的问题，我得到的最好的答案是：历经了饥荒和革命运动的体验后，人们会将食物和稳定排在有价值事物的前两位。你会发现有大量的人愿意把钱挥霍在一顿大餐上，紧接着在晚上九点就准时上床睡觉。

[–]mybigadventure 
So what then for the people of Europe. This excuse is shit.

那欧洲人的情况又要怎么说。这个借口真垃圾。

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[–]LaoSh 
When you start throwing anyone who looks intelligent off a roof you are going to have some knock on effects in culture.

当你开始把看起来很聪明的人扔下屋顶的时候， 你就叩响了影响文化的大门。

[–]derrickcopeUnited States 
A 1 million sized city isn't mid sized. Shanghai is 20million so is Chongqing and Beijing not far behind. So 5 to 8 million would be mid sized. I mean huizhou a bedroom community of Shenzhen is 3 million.
Having said the above I would like to try to address the actual question. I travel around China on a weekly basis. I would say right now there is a quiet reformation going on to solve what you are talking about. All these chain restaurants and tea shops are spreading across the country. I can find a blue frog element fresh or wagas in pretty much every city I go to now. Maybe that is a bad example. I can definitely find a XiBei in every city I go to now and a HaidiLao and a CoCo.I didn't notice it so much 5 years ago but the last 2 years it is apparent. Something big is happening consumer wise in mid size cities around China.

一百万人口并不算中等规模的城市。 上海有两千万人，而重庆和北京也差不了多少。 所以五到八百万人口才能算中等城市。 我是说连作为深圳卧城的惠州都有三百万人。
说了这么多我想说一些实际的问题。 我在中国旅行的时间可以论周算。 我想说关于你谈论的事情都在静静地发生着改变。 所有的连锁餐厅和茶室在整个国家蔓延。 几乎在我到过的每个城市都有“蓝蛙”“新元素”或是“沃哥斯”的连锁餐厅。 也许这是个坏例子。 我也可以在每个我到过的城市找到西贝餐厅和海底捞以及都可茶饮。 我不能准确的说过去五年，但可以肯定的是过去两年， 中国中等城市的消费意识正发生着大的变化。
（注：原文中CoCo暨可能指CoCo都可饮茶，也可能指CoCo壹番屋咖喱，鉴于西贝和海底捞均为国内品牌，所以翻译默认为前者。）

[–]loscrimmage  
You need to join some wechat groups to know what is going on.

你需要加一些微信群来搞清楚究竟怎么回事。

[–]SailTheWorldWithMe 
Mid-size cities in the USA can be dull too.

美国的中等城市也可以同样枯燥无味。

[–]Playapan 
Sleeping with girls living next door or in the same apartment complex is pretty fun.

跟住在旁边或者同一栋公寓里的妹子一起睡是非常乐趣的。

[–]InphlamedScotland 
Just to let you know a city with a population of 1 million in China is small not medium by any means.

只是想告诉你人口一百万的城市对中国来说只是小意思而不是中等意思。

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[–]Fishyinthemiddle 6 指标 10小时前 
Because you’re a snob? One of my best afternoons in China was in a small city. If it’s more than a million people there will be places you haven’t seen.
I like finding Tantan tour guides. 😜😜

或许因为你是个势利小人？ 我渡过的最棒的一个下午就是在一座中国小城中。 如果是一座百万人口以上的城市，那么肯定有好多地方你不知道。
我想要寻找天坛的导游。

[–]kkdechicu 
Because they are all built around the same model of cramming as many people in mass housing and strictly centered around the idea of maximizing money output there is no room for things such as art scenes or subcultures because they don't generate fast money. Additionally China has no civil society no such thing as sharing ideas or debating on how to make things better everything is decided on a government level and they don't listen to the people. Not that said people have anything interesting to share anyway the smart bunch have moved to big cities or left China already what's remaining in medium sized cities are the poorly educated bunch.

因为他们所有的建筑都是按照同样的模式建造的，然后再把人塞进那些集体住宅里，并且所有这些都严格的围绕着利益最大化这一思想，那里没有留给类似艺术和亚文化场景的空间，因为这些无法快速产出利益。 此外中国不是民权社会，人们不能分享彼此的观点或是讨论如何把事情做得更好，所有事情都有政府决定并且他们从不听取民众的意见。 并不是说人们有什么好玩的事情可以分享，总之聪明人已经搬到了大城市或出国，那些留在中等城市的都是受教育程度不高的群体。

[–]dkappy 
There's something to do in every single city... get a scooter and explore.

每一座城市都有东西可玩 --- 找一辆踏板车然后去一探究竟。

[–]GoliathsBigBrother  
Or a bike 😁

要不一辆摩托也行。

[–]ronnydelta 
They're improving give them time.

他们还在发展，给他们一些时间。

[–]dlerium 
You gotta look at density. Population density for Tier 3 and 4 cities isn't that of Tier 1 cities. As a result you don't get subways in all of them. Also keep in mind a lot of the activities that happens in cities like Shanghai is because of the large expat population.
Also keep in mind the urbanization of Chinese is relatively recent so that also has an effect where newer cities still lack a lot of development.

你应该注意密度。 三四线城市的人口密度和一线城市的是不一样的。 其结果就是你不能在每座城市都找到地铁。 同样你能记住许多活动出现在像上海那样的城市里，因为那里有很多外籍人员。
并且记住中国的城市化进程相对来说比较晚， 所以对那些新城市来说还缺乏很多需要发展的地方。