这是真的吗？（有谣传称）中国建设城市只是为了保持经济增长并不允许任何人入住 [美国媒体]

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Is it true (as some rumors say) that China builds cities just to keep the economy going but doesn’t allow anybody to live there?

这是真的吗？（有谣传称）中国建设城市只是为了保持经济增长并不允许任何人入住 原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译：翻译加工厂 转载请注明出处

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Joseph Wang ex-VP Big investment bank - Hong Kong Answered Sat
No they allow people to live there. It’s just that they don’t.

倒不是说他们不允许人住，只不过人们不去那里住。

However there is an interesting bit of Chinese land law. You cannot own land in China. You can only own land use rights. This turns out to create ghost cities because you cannot own empty land in China. If you have a land use right and you don’t build in a few years you lose that right and if the land becomes valuable in ten years you don’t have any rights to the land. It might be that in ten years the buildings are all old and you have to hire people to tear it down but then you do the calculation and you figure out that you are still out ahead.

然而，中国土地法有个有趣的点。你不能在中国拥有土地。你只能拥有土地使用权。这就产生了“鬼城”，因为在中国你不能拥有空的土地。如果你有某土地的使用权，而你在几年内不建造东西，那么你会失去该土地的使用权。若该土地在十年内变得有价值，你就没有该土地的任何使用权。可能是在10年里，这些建筑都是旧的，然后你不得不需要雇人来拆掉它，但是你一算，你会发现你仍然赚了。

The thing is that Western media always portrays this as how terrible the Chinese economy is but if you think about it having empty buildings isn’t a bad thing. You have a real estate developer that things that the land will be very valuable in ten or twenty years and in order to keep control of the land they have to hire workers now in order to build apartments.

问题是，西方媒体总是把这描述为中国经济的可怕之处，但如果你想一下，拥有空置的建筑并不是一件坏事。你有一个房地产开发商，在10年或20年的时间里，这块土地将会非常值钱，为了控制土地，他们就必须雇佣工人来建造公寓。

Sthitapragnya Deshpande worked at China Answered Mon
Nope. They build cities because

不是真的。他们因如下原因而修建城市：

(a) China has people ... a few millions of them... who need houses to live in (can someone please tell the governments in USA and UK that? for the sake of all the homeless people in these two nations?)

(a)中国有.....几百万.......需要房子住的人(为了英国和美国这两个国家内所有无家可归者的利益，谁能告诉这两国政府事情的真相啊？)

(b) cement concrete steel are all currently cheaper (why? See item 'a' above for a clue)

(b)水泥、混凝土和钢筋现在都很便宜(为什么?请参考上面的“a”从中寻找线索)

(c) Chinese youngsters like to buy houses once they start working (unlike people form western countries who seem to be ok renting / sharing homes). Hence houses and cities are needed to accommodate them.

(c)中国的年轻人一旦开始工作就喜欢买房子(不像西方国家的人，他们看可以独租房子/共租房子)。因此，需要住房和城市来容纳他们。

(d) these cities are often built near large railways stations of new high speed railway lines (to address their need for travel once these cities get filled with people)

(d)这些城市通常建在新高速铁路线上的大型铁路车站附近(一旦这些城市被人填满，它们就需要出行)

(e) the so called ghost cities get filled with people within a few years (I have seen this since 2011 and continue to see this first hand)

(e)所谓的“鬼城”在几年内就被人填满了(自2011年以来，我就看到过这种情况，而且还会持续第一手看到这种情况)。

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Ray Comeau A decade in China interest in geopolitics Answered Sat
No. No. No.

不不不。

Those are false rumors that originate from either ignorance or somebody’s political agenda.

这些都是虚假的谣言，要么是智商欠费，要么是某些人别有用心带有政治目的的造谣。

In China a major form of revenue for local governments is the leasing of land for development of doing land development itself and generating revenue from sales. But China does stuff on a scale most westerns do not realize.

在中国，地方政府的主要收入来源是自己利用土地资源搞土地开发以及出让土地赚取收入。但是，中国在大多数西方人没有意识到的规模上做了很多事情。

Developers will lease land from the local government by the hectare then build many condo high rises or a huge mall. It takes several years for the whole complex of buildings to be complete before occupation is allowed.

开发商将从当地政府租用土地（以公顷租用），然后建造许多共有公寓、高楼大厦或大型购物中心。整个建筑在被允许使用之前，需要花费数年的时间才能完成。

Understand that China plans everything in advance. With the urbanization of China many millions of people move into the city from the countryside every year.

要明白中国早已事先计划好了一切。随着中国城市化的发展，每年都会有数百万人从农村搬到城市。

Where I live we average 1000 people per day moving into the city/urban area. That means new roads new utilities - sewer water electricity and housing all need to be build and be in place long before these people arrive. How long does it take to have all these things in place when you are growing at a rate or 365000 people a year ?

我住的地方平均每天有1000人搬到城市/市区。这意味着需要新道路和新设施——下水道、水电建设和住房都需要在这些人到达之前就建好。那么城市以每年36万5000人的速度增长时，你需要花多长时间来完成这些事情呢?

Example - A friend bought a unit in a new residential complex. Then spent 4 years on finishing the inside of his unit after which sold his old place. Looking at the outside his unit looked empty for about 7 years. Three years for the developer to complete the complex plus 4 years he took to finish it.

举个例子——我的一个朋友在某新住宅综合区买了一套房子。在卖掉他的旧房后花了4年时间完成了他新房的内部装修。外人看来，他的这房子已经空了大约7年了。三年时间供房地产开发商完成建楼的复杂工作加上四年的装修事件。

Now we all read or heard of the most famous “ghost city” of Ordos in Inner Mongolia. A story the created an ignorant narrative about China because reporters failed to spend time investigating the situation.

现在，我们都读过或者听说过内蒙古鄂尔多斯这个最有名的“鬼城”。这是一个典型的对中国一无所知的人所编造的故事，因为记们者没能花时间去调查（事情的真实）情况。

There is no doubt it was a risky venture by the local government and a local set back in the mining industry has hurt but give it time.

毫无疑问，这是当地政府的一项风险投资，推迟了当地的采矿行业发展使其元气大伤，但给它点转型时间。

Ordos is slowly being populated. Ordos is wealthy with a GDP per capita of $34000 USD. Rich in minerals and home to one of the world's largest bitcoin 'mines'.

鄂尔多斯正在慢慢地被人填满。鄂尔多斯的人均国民生产总值为34000美元。拥有丰富的矿产资源，是世界上最大的比特币矿地之一。

An upxe On China's Largest Ghost City - What Ordos Kangbashi Is Like Today

这就是中国最大的鬼城——鄂尔多斯康巴什现如今的模样。

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Lu Lu studied at National University of Singapore Answered Sun 
YES YES YES! IT’S TOTALLY TRUE!

是是是！这完全是真的！

I tell you some more secrets. Please promise me don’t tell anyone else ah.

我告诉你更多（有关）的秘密，请答应我不要告诉其他任何人。

China builds cities just to keep the economy going but government forces people to sleep on the street.

中国建立城市只是为了保持经济运转，但是政府强迫百姓们睡在大街上。

China produces food just to keep the economy going but chinese people just eat grass and soil. People are allowed to eat food once a year when we celebrate the Spring Festival.

中国生产食物只是为了保持经济运转，但是中国人民却吃着草和土。只有当我们庆祝一年一度的春节时人们才被允许吃上一顿饭。

China has plenty of factories just to keep the economy going but chinese people have no idea at all about refrigerators robots or even electricity.

中国有很多工厂只是为了保持经济增长，但是中国人对于冰箱、机器人甚至连电力都不甚了解。

Education in China is forbidden because government wants their people to stay foolish and make no contribution to their country.

教育在中国是被禁止的。因为政府希望民众保持愚蠢，不用对他们的国家做出贡献......

I can tell you as many secrets as you want but please don’t keep lying to yourself.

我可以告诉你很多你想要的秘密，但是请你不要对自己撒谎。

People always believe in what they want to believe. But please open your eyes and face the real world. It is changing every minute.

人们总是对自己想要相信的事物信以为真，但是请你们打开双眼面对这个真实的世界。它每分钟都在发生改变。

Thanks to those people who believe in such rumors or even want to spend time on discussing such stupid questions instead of reflecting on themselves china has more time to develop itself and make it unstoppable.

感谢那些相信如此谣言甚至想要花费时间来谈论这般愚蠢问题的人们，反之他们从不会反省自身。中国有很多的时间来发展壮阔使自己不可阻挡的。

So stop being so silly and believing in such rumors anymore. Cooking up a story and spreading rumours to injure others has no point at all except showing your lower IQ limit. Let’s just co-operate and do business hand in hand it’s a win-win world.

所以停止这些愚蠢的做法，别再相信这些谣言。编造故事和传播谣言去伤害他人毫无意义，除了显示你的智商低。来让我们携手合作共同做生意，这是一个双赢的世界。

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Li Yan works at Postal Savings Bank of China Answered Mon
I believe that you misunderstand about Chinese estate industries and recent political status.

我相信你对中国的地产行业和近些年来的政治状况产生了误解。

First of all even though China still a socialist country and the government still states that it will dedicates to establish a communist society but the chinese people are not concentrate on revolution or other communist affairs they are focus on career advancement or earning money. The Party has announced that the main target of development is accelerating the economic development and improve people's live. The GDP has been the significant indictator of government performance. Therefore the China now is more like a capitalism country in the economy aspect. So even the government still don't allow the free land transaction in capital market( people cannot own the land just have the right of using) but people can decide the buying and useing of residence.

首先，就算中国仍是一个社会主义国家并且政府仍声明将会致力于打造一个共产主义社会，但中国人们已经不再热衷于革命或别的共产主义事业。他们更加注重自己的职业晋升或是如何挣钱。共产党宣称发展的主要目的是加快经济建设和提高人民的生活水平。GDP已经是评估政府表现的重要指标。所以至少在经济层面，现在的中国更像是一个资本主义国家。所以就算政府不允许在资本市场里自由交易土地（人们不能拥有土地，只有土地使用权）但人们可以决定是否购买和如何使用其住宅。

Back to this topic indeed there are several “ ghost city” in China especially in the new suburban areas of big cities. The basic facilities like museums hospitals schools and markets and numerous residence buildings has been built but just fewer live in there.

回到主题，中国确实存在不少的“鬼城”，特别是在一些大城市的市郊地区。那里修建了很多基础设施例如博物馆、医院、学校、超市以及数不胜数的居民楼，但只有少数人居住在那里。

The main reason is that some local authorities make the rush decision and want to stimulate the local economy by real-estate. So they sold the land to the estate companies and encourage them to build houses and apartment. But during the first wave of estate investment the oridinary people don’t have extra money for the new residence. 

主要原因是由于地方政府为了刺激当地经济发展而仓促地决定发展房地产行业。所以他们将土地卖给房地产开发商并鼓励他们建造房屋和公寓。但在第一波房地产投资热潮中，普通居民并没有余钱能来买新的住宅。

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Jonny Kong Spent most my life in China current in Toronto Answered Mon
Partially true. Some cities especially those in the north rely its economy on such investments constructing a excessive amount of real-estates and other infrastructures.

有部分是正确的，一些城市，尤其是北方的城市，依靠其经济来建设大量的房地产和其他的基础设施。

However I don’t there’s such restriction at least in most places.

至少在大多数地区是没有这样的限制的。

Nevertheless with poor infrastructure few job opportunities and degradation of natural environment it’s not surprising that these cities does not retain young people.

然而，由于基础设施的薄弱，少额的工作机会再加上自然环境的退化，这些城市变得留不住青年人就不足为奇了。

Richard Saw Answered Mon
Another follower of rumourmonger. where you get this info from? CNN BBC CNBC? 
Don't trust the western media. Seeing is believing.
If I turnaround and says CCTV reported that there are plenty of ghost town in Midwest cities of US and houses were being built to keep the economy going? Will you believe? and Why not?

谣言传播的其他追随者，你们是从哪里获得这个信息的？CNN(美国有线电视新闻网络)、BBC(英国广播公司)还是CNBC(美国全国广播公司财经频道)？
不要相信那些西方媒体，眼见为实。
如果我转过身说，CCTV报道称，美国中西部城市有很多鬼城，其房子是为了维持经济运转而建造的，你会相信吗？为什么不呢？

Steven Jiang Answered Oct 27
Are human activities in a city bad for the economy?

一个城市内的人类活动对经济不利吗？

Don’t forget there could be shops supermarkets theaters subways light rails and all other kinds of business to boost the economy.

别忘了那里有商店、超市、电影院、地铁、轻轨和其他类型的商业来刺激经济。

Randall Burns BA Economics University of Chicago (1981) Answered Oct 27
No. Chinese real estate development practices may not be optimal but they aren’t that far out of wack.

不。中国房地产开发的实践或许不是很理想，但所幸他们并没有做出什么出格的事。

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Ashok Kumar Sharma Entrepreneur | Stock Trader| Founder of Desi Investor Answered Mon
This is completely hilarious question and a very unique way of China bashing.

这完全是一个令人发笑的问题，并且为指责中国提供了一个独特的角度。

Are Chinese that stupid to build cities to keep them empty?

中国人真的会蠢到建造新的城市只是为了把它空在那儿？

You must be talking about ghost cities. Well that is completely different matter and the intention of China was not to keep them empty.

你想说的肯定是鬼城吧。不过那跟这完全不是同一回事，中国并没有故意空置城市的意图。

Olivia Gang lives in China (1998-present) Answered Oct 27
In some places the property developers just buid so many apartments that they cannot be sold out.

只是开发商在某些地方建造了太多的公寓，然后他们根本没卖不出去。

Star Lee former Plastic Machinery Sales Engineer at SHUANGLIN Machinery (2007-2017) Answered Sun
I want to know if anyone married a wife who cooks just to improve the skills instead of feeding the family?

我想知道是否有人会娶那种做饭只是为了提升技巧而不是养活全家人的女人为妻？

The social is change people move from village to city too many houses required.

社会正在改变，人们正从农村走向城市，所以大量的建房是必须的。

This question is evil and stupid.

这个问题真是即恶毒又愚蠢。

Samuel Liu lives in Shanghai Answered Oct 27
The Chinese government builds cities prematurely to keep people employed for the future demand- its URBANIZATION drive for the future.

中国政府提早建设城市以应对未来的（住房）需求---暨即将到来的城市化进程。

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Heal Zhu lives in Wuxi Jiangsu China (2008-present)
Answered Oct 27
As a ChineseI can deadly be serious to tell you that it is absolutely true.Like where I live Wuxithis is a very small city full of tall buildings with quite few peopleless than 100 in one city.Do not question my numberthis is trueless than 100.I am struggling here to surrive but I am happy because I can live everywhere I want.

作为一个中国人，我可以很严肃的告诉你这是绝对正确的。就像我居住的无锡是一个非常小的城市，到处都是高楼大厦，可是一个城市住着的人几乎不超过100人。不要质疑我所说的100这个数字。我在这里挣扎着生存，但是我很开心，因为我可以在我想的任何地方生活。

Sometimes I even imagine myself to be "Will Smith" in "I Am Legend" .Rescuing the world and make a new human race.

有时候我甚至把自己想象成电影“我是传奇”里的“威尔·史密斯”。拯救世界，创造出新人类。

Douglas Marsh Answered Oct 27
That has been said; was even on Sixty Minutes.

这（谣言）一直被提及，甚至在《60分钟》这个节目里也出现过。

Zhang Dayu Answered Oct 27
why dont you use your logic instead of asking someone else what really keeps economic going concrete or human activity.

你为什么不用逻辑转问别人具体是什么保持了经济发展和人类活动。

Huji Wang
Answered Oct 27
Rumors always go like this . Everything from China is either fake or bad

谣言总是如此。老说中国的一切都是假的或者坏的。

岩 史 Ph D China & Beijing China Sichuan University (2013) Answered Mon
The truth is we need building more apartment to make sure every family having a clean and big house。

事实是我们需要建造更多的房子来确保每个家庭都拥有一个既干净又大的房子。

Amber Wang Answered Fri
just like you say that are rumors

正如你所说的那是个谣言。

Liang Xiao Answered Oct 27
No

不是真的。

This argument is mainly ironic China's high housing prices.

这个观点主要是在讽刺中国的高房价。