法国、中国发射首颗联合研制的卫星以研究气候变化 [美国媒体]

France, China launch first jointly builtsatellite to study climate change

法国、中国发射首颗联合研制的卫星以研究气候变化



The Long March-2C rocket lifts off from theJiuquan Satellite Launch Centre

长征二号丙型火箭从酒泉卫星发射中心升空

China sent its first ever satellite builtin partnership with another country into space on Monday, a device tasked withhelping scientists better predict dangerous cyclones and climate change bymonitoring ocean surface winds and waves.

本周一，中国发射了第一颗与另一个国家合作研制的人造卫星，该卫星用于通过监测海洋表面的风和波浪，帮助科学家更好地预测危险的气旋和气候变化。



"It will help increase the observationand prediction of catastrophic sea states, such as huge waves and tropicalstorms, and provide security support for offshore operations and engineering, shipnavigation, fisheries, and coastal management," said Zhao Jian, a seniorofficial at the China National Space Administration.

“该卫星将有助于增加对灾难性海洋状态的观测和预测，如巨浪和热带风暴，并为海上作业和工程、船舶导航、渔业和沿海管理提供安全支持，”中国国家航天局高级官员赵建说。

The rocket successfully put the satellite intoorbit 520 kilometres (323 miles) above the Earth.

火箭成功地将卫星送入距离地球520公里（323英里）的轨道。

- 'Historic' –

“历史性”

Chinese leader Xi Jinping and FrenchPresident Emmanuel Macron exchanged congratulations in a phone call, accordingto Xinhua.

据新华社报道，中国与法国总统马克龙通电话祝贺。

"It's historic. It's the firstsatellite China has made through international cooperation," Jean-Yves LeGall, president of France's National Centre for Space Studies, told AFP.

“这是历史性的。它是中国第一颗通过国际合作制造的卫星，”法国国家空间研究中心主席金•伊福斯•勒•加尔告诉法新社。

"This satellite will help makeconsiderable progress in understanding climate change."

“这颗卫星将有助于在理解气候变化方面取得相当大的进展。”

The project began in 2007. The twocountries are also working together on the Space Variable Objects Monitor(SVOM) mission, which will launch a satellite in 2021 to detect and studygamma-ray bursts.

该项目始于2007年。两国还共同致力于空间可变目标监测任务，该任务将于2021年发射一颗卫星，用于探测和研究伽玛射线暴。

China and France already cooperate inspace, with a French cardiovascular device aboard China's Tiangong-2 space labto monitor a crew's hearts. The lab is expected to de-orbit after July 2019.

中国和法国已经在太空领域展开合作，在中国天宫二号空间实验室上安装了法国的心血管设备以监测宇航员的心脏情况。该空间实验室预计将在2019年7月之后脱离轨道。

Le Gall said France is also working withChina on cooperating in exploration missions to the moon and Mars.

勒•加尔说，法国还在与中国合作开展月球和火星探测任务。



The satellite is officially named GOSAT-2,short for "greenhouse gases observing satellite-2", and is intendedto provide data that will help Japan create and publish "emissioninventories" of the CO2 output of various countries, as outlined in theParis climate accord.

这颗卫星的官方名称为GOSAT-2，是“温室气体观测卫星2号”的缩写，旨在提供数据，帮助日本创建和公布《巴黎气候协定》中概述的各国二氧化碳排放的“排放清单”。

[–]Captain_Zomaru
Ironically the largest contributor in theworld to greenhouse gasses, or 'hot air' if you will, is China.

具有讽刺意味的是，中国才是世界上最大的温室气体排放国。

[–]Junlian
True, but its also a fact that China is 1/5of the world's population and the world's manufacturing factory. If you use percapita its still lower than USA.

没错，但中国是世界人口的五分之一，是世界制造业工厂，这也是一个事实。如果按人均计算，它仍然比美国低。



[–]Junlian
All i read is nothing but idealisticrubbish.
I fully support a citizen revolt tooverthrow this wildy corrupt government
All revolts do is destroy your country andlet foreign countries take advantage of you while you are in chaos. So whywould they? Do you even know the livelihood of chinese citizens before thecivil war? Starvation everywhere and foreigners carving China like a pie.
China have a very different view culturallycompared to the west. For China, they value unity and stability more thanfreedom. Say what you will about the government but the things theyaccomplished is no easy feat. They brought a country that had over 90% of thepopulation in extreme poverty to now the worlds fastest growing middle class,gave China back its pride and dignity from a country being exploited byforeigners to now the world's second strongest country, Now being the worldssecond biggest economy with wages growing, better healthcare and overall betterquality of life so why would the citizens want to revolt?
Gotta give credit where credit is due, sureChinese citizens would want a little bit more freedom and a less paranoidgovernment but theres no way they would want to change what they have now andgo back to living in hell again.

我读到的都是些空想主义的垃圾。
“我完全支持一场公民起义，推翻这个极度fu败的政府”
“起义”所做的一切就是摧毁你的国家，让外国趁着你们混乱的时候利用你们。所以中国人为什么要这样做呢？你知道内战前中国公民的生活吗？饿殍遍地，外国人像切大饼一样瓜分中国。
与西方相比，中国在文化上有着非常不同的观点。对中国来说，他们更看重团结和稳定，而不是自由。不管你对政府有什么看法，但他们取得的成就并不容易。他们把一个极度贫困人口占比超过90%的国家发展成拥有当今世界上增长最快的中产阶级的国家，把中国从被外国人剥削带回到它昔日的骄傲与尊严，再到现在的世界第二大经济体，还拥有不断上涨的工资水平、更好的医疗保健和整体生活质量，它的公民们为什么要反抗？
该称赞的地方就该称赞，当然，中国公民会想要更多的自由和一个不那么偏执的政府，但他们不可能想要改变他们现在拥有的并重新回到地狱。



[–]sh05800580
Democracy has nothing to do with greenhousegas emmissions though... I think you call this a strawman argument?

然而，民主与温室气体排放无关……我认为你把这个叫做稻草人论点？

[–]Captain_Zomaru
I was making a point that China'sgovernment cares about lining their pockets and killing off dissonance. Globalwarming research doesn't make them money. So I'm skeptical.

我想说的是，中国关心的是中饱私囊，消除不和谐。全球变暖研究并没有让他们赚钱。所以我持怀疑态度。

[–]sh05800580
I don't like China myself but they do havea real incentive to stop polluting as much. Bad air quality kills off a lot oflabour and increases healthcare spending. It's also a big reason why rich,educated Chinese people migrate to other countries taking all their money withthem.
Also it's kind of hard to prove China isn'tmaking a big effort to curb climate change. Solar panel prices didn't plummetby themselves but because the chinese ramped up production for their own use.You can visit the multiple nuclear/solar/hydro/wind facilities in constructionnevermind the massive ones already in use. If anything more infrastructureprodjects would help line chinese politicians' pockets faster, so it's awin-win I guess.

我自己也不喜欢中国，但他们确实有真正的动机停止污染。糟糕的空气质量导致大量劳动力死亡，并增加了医疗支出。这也是为什么受过教育的中国富人带着所有的钱移民到其他国家的一个重要原因。
此外，很难证明中国没有在遏制气候变化方面做出重大努力。太阳能电池板的价格并不会自己直线下降，而是因为中国增加了它的产能。你可以参观正在建设中的多个核能/太阳能/水电/风能设施，更不用说已经在使用的大型设施了。如果有任何更多的基础设施项目能够帮助中国政客更快地赚到钱，那么我想这是一个双赢的局面。



[–]Notrealone33
China on the other hand intentionally let50 million of it's open people die, on purpose, many killed directly by thehand of the communist party
Nope, most of them died due to famine,which was a direct result of Mao's economic catastrophe, but it was notintentional. Communism and collectivization doesn't work, we know that today,but people honestly believed it would create a Utopia back in 60s.
Are you trying to compare slavery with massgenocide?
Chinese case was not a mass-genocide, itwas not like Nazi Germany intentionally killing Jews. The millions of peoplewho died were a direct result of economic mismanagement of Mao which latercaused famines. Yes, I do condone those deaths but they were not CCP militarykilling people at gunpoint.
Also, I am not comparing anything. I'm justtrying to point out that every country has to go through it's dark periods.That dark period was slavery in American case, mass-famines in Chinese case,British colonization and subsequent massacres in Indian case, Nazism inGermany's case so on and so forth.
No seriously, American slaves were notAmericans to begin with, they weren't even seen as people. It was a differenttime and you can't impart your 21st century morals in someone from the 18thcentury.
What do you mean they were not Americans?
Yes, it was a time of different values butthe founding fathers knew that slavery was immoral. Most of them have itwritten in their diaries. If they wanted, they could have stopped it. Spain,Sweden, Britian, etc all banned slavery way before USA. So, no Slavery was nota worldwide phenomenon, at least not after the end of 18th century. The leastthey could have done was to form a sort of advisory council to decide the endof slavery. Many European countries had a council to discuss the ending ofslavery back then. But USA didn't. So, obviously even though the world was waymore racist by today's standard, the United States was still lagging behindit's counterparts.

我没有做任何比较。我只是想指出每个国家都要经历黑暗时期。那个黑暗的时期就是美国的奴隶制，中国的大饥荒，英国的殖民和随后的印度大屠杀，德国的纳粹主义等等。
“不，说真的，美国奴隶一开始就不是美国人，他们甚至不被视为人类。那是一个不同的时代，你不能把21世纪的道德观念灌输给18世纪的人。”
你说他们不是美国人是什么意思？



[–]Notrealone33
they just minded their own damn business.But instead they instigate make demands, then play the victim across the world.And everyone makes excuses like China is the little brother that tries realhard
I don't think anyone would disagree thatChinese steal technology and they are taking advantage not just of thedeveloped world, but also of the developing world. But where we differ is theapproach to solve that problem.
Anyways, this post was about environmentalprotection and China is certainly leading the way in that case, while USA gotout from the Paris Climate Accord

“他们只关心自己的该死的事情。但相反，他们煽动人们提出要求，然后在世界各地扮演受害者的角色。每个人都找借口说中国是一个小兄弟，他真的很努力”
我认为没有人会不认为中国窃取技术，他们不仅在利用发达国家的技术，还在利用发展中国家的技术。但我们的观点差异在于解决问题的方法。
不管怎么说，这篇文章是关于环境保护的，中国在这方面无疑是领先的，而美国从《巴黎气候协定》中退出

[–]Captain_Zomaru
The Paris Climate Accord sounds nice, butit's primary goal is to pump money into developing Nations to invest in cleanenergy there so they can skip the fossil fuels route for energy (at least thatis what I can't gather from the terrible legalese it was written with). Anoble, but ultimately pointless goal.
Firstly because that money should be goingto investing directly in research, not indirectly In current technology. Thefree market is slowly but surely proving that green energy is the future, asit's becoming more viable with time and new technology.
And second, with the speed of globalwarming, we aren't stopping it. Governments can pat themselves on the back bygiving the poor money to buy solar panels or building a new wind farm. But theyare not helping the planet no more then the guy who stood in Tiananmen Square(I think that's right) was going to stop those tanks for long. Even if everyhuman disappeared of the face of the Earth, the planet would still continue towarm (assuming current models are correct and not exaggerating events, as theytend to do with climate trends) for another 100 years. Therefore all moneyspent on trying to slow climate change is effectively just taxpayer funded PR.It's a dark way of thinking, but it's realist. All that money should instead bespent on researching how to thrive in a hotter climate, like drought proof cornand 3d printed beef.
Effectively, yes, the US was right to notwaste money in the Paris Accord. It appears to be no more then a way to fit inwith everyone in the 'Save the Planet' camp while wasting taxpayer money.

《巴黎气候协定》听起来不错，但它的主要目标是向发展中国家注入资金，在那里投资清洁能源，这样他们就可以在开发能源时跳过化石燃料路线（至少我无法从它所使用的糟糕的法律术语中总结出这一点）。一个崇高但最终毫无意义的目标。
首先，因为这笔钱应该直接投资于研究，而不是间接投资于当前的技术。随着时间的推移和新技术的发展，绿色能源越来越具有可行性，自由市场正在缓慢但肯定地证明绿色能源是未来的趋势。
其次，随着全球变暖的速度，我们无法阻止它。政府可以自我表扬，给穷人钱购买太阳能电池板或建立一个新的风电场。但是他们对地球的帮助，并不比那个站在天an门广场要阻挡水柜的家伙（我认为那是对的）大。即使地球上的所有人都消失了，在未来的100年里，地球仍将继续变暖（假设目前的模型是正确的，而且没有像气候变化趋势那样夸大事件）。因此，所有用于减缓气候变化的资金实际上都是纳税人出资的公关。这是一种黑暗的思维方式，但却是现实主义的。所有这些钱都应该花在研究如何在更炎热的气候下茁壮成长上，比如抗旱玉米和3d打印牛肉。
事实上，没错，美国在《巴黎协定》中没有浪费资金是正确的。这似乎不再是一种与“拯救地球”阵营中的每一个人融洽相处的方式，同时也浪费了纳税人的钱。



[–]Notrealone33
Honestly the idea that Trump denies climatechange is asinine frankly. It's pretty clear that he promised the Midwestminers and laborers that relied on the fossil fuel industry for their entirelives that he would help keep or get their jobs back
He has tweeted it several times, he hassaid it a few times in rallies. So, I would say he denies it. Also, while theprospects of people loosing their job is horrible, the renewable industry wouldactually be able to replace those jobs along with the benefit of not screwingup the planet beyond repair. It's already employing 10 million people.
if the models are to be believed, we aren'tgoing to save the planet
Which models are you talking about? Andhonestly, I think we should take our chances even if the possibility ofprotecting the planet is really bleak. It's about humanity we are talkingabout, and survival of humanity should matter more than anything. Not onlythat, USA, the 2nd biggest carbon polluter in the world, not committinganything to maintain the global temperatures would actually be catastrophic
all we are really doing is accelerating theescape from the ice age we are currently living in (being any period where iceexists naturally on the planet definition).
No, Earth is currently in interglacialperiod(a time when pole ice is melting). That is the reason why humans wereable travel and explore new lands around 20,000 years ago(when ice age ended).This process of ice melting in general takes millions of years. But we arereally speeding up that. The Mount Everest could loose all of it's glaciers by2100. All these melted ice will get into the ocean and the sea level increasewould engulf most of the costal cities around the globe, just in a matter offew decades.
I don't think sacrificing millions of lives(due to crop failures and mass famines) is actually worth it to save a guy'sjob which in a few years time would have probably been replaced by renewableenergy jobs if not for Trump pulling out of the Accord anyways

“坦率地说，特朗普否认气候变化的想法是愚蠢的。很明显，他向中西部的矿工和工人承诺，他们一生都依赖化石燃料工业，他将帮助他们保住或恢复工作”
他在推特上发过几次，在集会上也说过几次。所以，我想说他否认了。此外，尽管人们丢掉工作的前景很糟糕，但可再生能源产业实际上能够取代这些工作，同时还能避免把地球搞得一团糟，无法修复。可再生能源产业已经雇佣了1000万人。
“如果模型是可信的，我们就无法拯救地球”
你说的是哪种模型？老实说，我认为我们应该冒险，即使保护地球的可能性真得很渺茫。我们谈论的是人类，人类的生存比什么都重要。不仅如此，作为世界上第二大碳排放国的美国，不承诺任何措施来维持全球气温将是灾难性的
“我们真正做的是加速逃离我们目前生活在的冰河时代（任何在地球上自然存在冰河时期）”
不，目前地球正处于间冰期（极冰融化的时期）。这就是为什么20000年前（冰河时代结束时）人类能够旅行和探索新土地的原因。这个冰融化的过程一般需要几百万年。但我们确实在加快速度。到2100年，珠穆朗玛峰可能会融化所有的冰川。所有这些融化的冰将进入海洋，海平面的上升将吞没全球大多数沿海城市，仅仅几十年的时间。
我不认为牺牲数以百万计的生命（由于农作物歉收和大规模饥荒）来挽救一个人的工作是值得的，如果不是因为特朗普退出协议，几年之内，这个工作可能会被可再生能源的工作所取代



[–]demosthenesunlocked
Yes
Industrialization came with lots ofbenefits and some costs. This is one of them.

是的
工业化带来了许多好处和一些代价。这是其中之一。

[–]chilltenor
Nah, more likely the hot air is coming fromTwitter's datacenters...

不，更有可能是来自Twitter数据中心的热空气……

[–]MajorLeagueLactose
I wonder if the Chinese scientists knowFrench or the French scientists know Mandarin.

我想知道中国科学家懂法语，还是法国科学家懂普通话。

[–]brig517
Yeah, lots of STEM majors end up learningmultiple languages. STEM is international and you’ll end up interacting withall kinds of people.
Also, Mandarin is one of the top threelanguages spoken, along with English and Spanish. They could make it work.

是的，很多理工专业的学生最终都学习了多种语言。理工专业是国际性的，你最终会和各种各样的人打交道。
此外，普通话与英语和西班牙语一样，都是三大语言之一。他们玩得转的。



[–]Real_PoopyButthole
Yes, English is the only "global language"on the planet IMO, no other language even come close to the popularity

是的，在我看来，英语是这个星球上唯一的“全球语言”，没有其他语言能像英语这样受欢迎

[–]GachiGachi
Spanish is one of the top three by numberof speakers, but not by Economic significance and probably not by scientificsignificance.

就说西班牙语的人数而言，西班牙语是排名前三的语言之一，但就经济意义而言，或许就科学意义而言，西班牙语就不那么重要了。

[–]TinyHippHo
Pretty sure they all know math

他们肯定都懂数学

[–]ArchmageXin
But they are all heathens for refusing touse Freedom units.

但他们都是异教徒，因为他们拒绝使用自由单位。



[–]Basmachi
It is obviously English. You forget it evenwhen you're speaking it... It's the lingua franca today.

显然是英语。你甚至在说英语的时候都忘记了……它是今天的通用语言。

[–]84theone
They likely all speak English.
I've yet to run into a foreign engineerthat hasn't spoke at least basic English.

“他们可能都说英语”
我还没遇到过一个至少不会说基本英语的外国工程师。

[–]MajorLeagueLactose
You’ve never been to many places then

那么说明你还没去过很多地方

[–]GyariSan
These are top scientists, they communicatein English. Been to Tsinghua University plenty of times and the professor'sthere are all super fluent with their English. Some don't even sound fob. Manycourses tjere are also available to be tsught in English.

他们是顶尖的科学家，用英语交流。我去过清华大学很多次，那里的教授英语都非常流利。有些甚至听起来不像外国人。许多课程也提供英语教学。



[–]AEGuardian
Lmao

呵呵

[–]corgocracy
It might actually be English

可能是用英语交流的

[–]BurnedOutTriton
They both read white papers in English.

他们都用英文阅读文件吧。

[–]Junlian
Maybe they both will use English.

也许双方都使用英语。

[–]surfmaths
I guess that was sarcastic.
But just in case, as a French relativelybad at English, talking daily with Chinese relatively bad at English, I canguarantee you that we still talk in English without much problem. Scientificterms are usually uniformly understood and easy to compose/explain to otherscientists.
There are some issue with tense that has tobe watched for. Chinese speaker tends to mix them up arbitrarily. That is, ifthey say "I did it tomorrow" the intent was probably to say "Iwill do it tomorrow". Because their tense are based on context and notgrammar. While French people tend to trust tense more.
French people put gender to objects 90% ofthe time which can make ambiguous sentences: "I repaired the wheel and thetank, but I found out she is too small." In French "wheel" isfemale while "tank" is male, so a word to word translation would beunambiguous which is of course wrong in English. In practice the problem ismuch deeper than that as we like to make really long sentences with lots ofpronouns instead of naming the object again to remove ambiguity.
So you end up with time ambiguity fromChinese and object ambiguity for French. But nothing that can't be workedaround.

我想这有点讽刺意味。
但以防万一，作为一个法语水平相对较低的人，每天与汉语的英语水平相对较低的人交谈，我可以向你保证，我们仍然用英语交谈，没有什么问题。科学术语通常都是统一理解的，并且很容易向其他科学家解释。
有一些紧张的问题需要注意。说中文的人容易随意混淆。也就是说，如果他们说“我明天就做了”，意思可能是“我明天就做”。因为他们的时态是基于上下文而不是语法。而法国人更倾向于相信紧张。
法国人有90%的时间把性别寄于物体上，这可能会造成模棱两可的句子：“我修好了轮子和油箱，但我发现她太小了。”在法语中，“wheel”是女性，“tank”是男性，所以逐字翻译是明确无误的，这在英语中当然是错误的。在实践中，问题远不止于此，因为我们喜欢用很多代词组成很长的句子，而不是重新命名对象以消除歧义。
因此，你最终会发现汉语的时间歧义和法语的宾语歧义。但没有什么是无法解决的。



[–]texasbruce
Go to alaska and see. Tell me again. Theglaciers have receded so much that is really scary.

你去阿拉斯加看看。再来告诉我。冰川已经消退得太厉害了，真的很可怕。

[–]keedamaister
I think it’s extremely exaggerated mosttimes
Yes, you have studied climate science for30 years and have published papers in the field.

“我认为它在大多数时候都被过分夸大了”
是的，你研究了30年的气候科学，还在这个领域发表过论文。

[–]Nonid
I think it’s extremely exaggerated mosttimes
If you can't trust the hundreads ofthousands articles, papers, studies made all over the world by scientists fromevery countries, predicting for a long time what's happening right now, every day,i think there's nothing we can do for you. But don't you worry mate! You'lldiscover the truth with your own eyes in few years.

“我认为它在大多数时候都被过分夸大了”
如果你不能相信来自世界各国的科学家在世界各地撰写的在很长一段时间里预测现在每天都在发生什么的成千上万篇文章、论文和研究报告，，我认为我们对你无能为力。但是别担心，伙计!几年后你就会亲眼看到真相。



[–]user_account_deleted
China doesn't give a fuck about climatechange.
The fuck are you talking about? China hasalready hit it's Paris Accord goals.

“中国根本不在乎气候变化”
你tmd在说什么？中国已经实现了巴黎协定的目标。

[–]urinesampler
Hope france is ready to have theirtechnology stolen

希望法国已经做好他们的技术被偷的准备了。

[–]imaginary_num6er
See it’s a hoax by the French Chinese /s

看，这是法国中国人的恶作剧

[–]YesplzMm
France is studying to find effectivechange. China is studying to control the weather.

法国正在研究寻找有效的变革。而中国正在研究控制天气。



[–]TaeniaEnsalada
They're just part of the bot/ right wingpopulation that wants everyone to demonize China and everything Chinese as amonolithic evil entity to prep us for the coming cold war lol (and honestlyeven some more liberal MSM are complicit). I had a lot of fun trying to arguewith these folks, wouldn't recommend unless you have a lot of time on handthough. But then again, they're hard to avoid given how they're literallyeverywhere in this non-curated sub. Not sure if due to negligence or willfulcomplicities.


他们只是想让所有人都妖魔化中国，把所有中国人都妖魔化为一个整体的邪恶实体，为即将到来的冷战做准备的机器人/右翼人群的一部分（老实说，甚至一些更自由的男同性恋者也是同谋）。我和这些人争论很开心，除非你手头有很多时间，否则我不会建议你这么做。但话又说回来，考虑到他们在这个没有策划的主题贴里无处不在，我不确定是由于疏忽还是故意的合规性。

[–]Taffythecat
They’re actually working really hard toreduce their pollution. Clearly you are just going off the headlines.

他们正在努力减少污染。很明显，你只是脱离了头条新闻。

[–]KBSuks
I give it a year before it’s shut downbecuase of China abusing it for espionage.

我猜它运行一年就得关闭，因为中国滥用它作为间谍卫星。

[–]Curoe
Why would it be shut down?

为什么它会被关闭？

[–]KBSuks
It’s in the one sentence that you repliedto. Look harder.

原因就在你回复的帖子里。招子放亮点。



PS：中国也可以聘请国际非中国科学家来做数据解释，但过滤/保留任何与间谍有关的数据。不管怎样，我只能看到中国掌握着这笔交易的全部筹码。

[–]Yunclehams
title should be France and China buildsatellite using French and stolen technology.

标题应该是：法国和中国使用法国技术和窃取的技术研制卫星。

[–]Curoe
Men cant wear beards?
So if I googled and showed you chineseblogs where chinese men are sporting beards what would you do?
People are listed with their ID cards? Yeahduh, what country is this not a thing?
Chips in their IDs? My german ID card hasan RFID chip in it just as the Chinese ID one has it. If you somehow believethat the Chinese RFID chip can give their government Realtime GPS Coordinatesthen you are widely mistaken and uninformed. Edit: You can disable your RFIDchip easily if you somehow are going to reference that DEFCON 20Meterexperiment
Massive police presence? Dude have you everbeen to Korea? Japan? Vietnam? In USA the idea of a police box might be foreignto you but the Asians actually have the population to support police boxes.This is a cultural thing not a totalitarian thing.
Ethnic cleansing, yeah okay I have to giveit to you on that one. They are ethnic cleansing, no way to go around it. Tibetoccupation I would liken it to how USA is occupying Guam (maybe Hawaii).

“男人不能留胡子”
所以，如果我在谷歌上搜索并向你们展示中国的博客，那里的中国男人都在蓄胡子，你们会怎么做？
人们的信息被记录在身份证里？是啊，在哪个国家不是这样？
身份证里的芯片？我的德国身份证里有一个RFID芯片，就像中国的一样。如果你相信中国的RFID芯片可以给他们的政府提供实时的GPS坐标，那你就大错特错了。PS：你能很容易地禁用你的RFID芯片，如果你要以某种方式参考20米的DEFCON实验
大量警力吗？老兄，你去过韩国吗？日本吗？越南吗？在美国，警察包厢的概念可能对你来说是陌生的，但是亚洲人有足够的人口来支持警察包厢。这是文化问题而不是极权主义问题。
种族清洗，好吧好吧，我得给你就此举个例子。他们是种族清洗，没有办法绕开它。我将西藏占领比作是美国如何占领关岛（可能是夏威夷）。

[–]-Durandal
Considering what happend the last 10 years,your conclusion is that France cooperated with Qaddafi ? Lmao.
The rest is probably the same quality insight.

考虑到过去10年发生了什么，你的结论是法国与卡扎菲合作？呵呵呵。
其余的可能是同样水平的洞察力。

[–]leonkitano
Sarkozy made alot of business with Qaddafi.The end that we all know doesn't change this fact. He recieved regular paymentsfrom Qaddafi's regime. How can you judge that what I say is wrong withouth evenbothering to check it?

萨科齐和卡扎菲谈了很多生意。我们都知道的结局并没有改变这个事实。他定期收到卡扎菲政权的款项。你怎么能判断我说的话是错误的，甚至连核查都懒得去做？

[–]-Durandal
I'm obviously more informed than you, mysources aren't random youtube videos. First of all, at the moment we are stillnot sure of anything. There's no certainty that Sarkozy received money fromQaddafi. Just so you are aware that you follow the story that stick with yourview of the world. Whatever, lets speak as we were sure he received money fromhim.
You call cooperation between France andQaddafi one french presidential candidate receiving illegal money for hiselectoral campaign. This is not cooperation between two countries.
Considering than a few years later we wentto war against Libya, i found your mental gymnastics kinda hilarious, how canyou possibly think Qaddafi and France were cooperating. It's exactly theopposite.
EDIT : You add the sources after youanswer, nice. It's actually hilarious to pretend he took 50 millions, whenFrance campaign budget is limited to ~25 millions. I can find random sourcesthat fit my view too, it's not hard, we all know how to google. Here is Exminister from Qaddafi that says he heard nothing about that kind of deal.

我显然比你更了解情况，我的消息来源不是youtube上的随机视频。首先，目前我们还不确定什么。萨科齐是否能从卡扎菲那里得到钱还不确定。这样你就会意识到，你的故事与你对世界的看法是一致的。无论如何，让我们说，因为我们确信他收到了他的钱。
你把法国和卡扎菲的合作称为法国总统候选人为竞选活动接受非法资金。这不是两国间的合作。
考虑到几年后我们对利比亚开战，我觉得你脑子里的动作有点好笑，你怎么能认为卡扎菲和法国在合作。恰恰相反。
PS：在回答之后添加来源，很好。当法国的竞选预算限制在2500万欧元左右时，假装他拿走了5000万欧元其实很滑稽。我也可以找到适合我观点的随机来源，这并不难，我们都知道如何谷歌。这是卡扎菲的前部长说的，他说他没有听说过这样的交易。

[–]-Durandal
Do you feel like you are cooperating withthe cashier when you buy your groceries ?
You are so well informed that you mixed upeverything. You go from Libya to China, there's absolutely no link. You jump onconclusion like 'they sell guns to them, they are assholes!'.
If Iran or Libya wants to finds weapons,they will find weapons, regardless of who sells it. So yeah i would rather havemy democratic country taking the money instead of some other shithole.
Don't know the Uyghurs situation, butconsidering what you say about France and Qaddafi, i would not expect betterinsight.
What do you want ? I agree China is fuckedup, president for life, brainwashing, people disappear, but let's stop blamingothers countries when they have nothing to do with the mess.
China has more people, better economy,bigger army, is on the other side of the world ... What are you waiting exactlyfrom France ? Some useless presidents declaration ? They won't care abouttrades wars with France, because France will be the one losing the most, nobodywill even think about France doing military something to China, so what are youwaiting from a country 20 times smaller than China, both in territory andpeople ?
You think a declaration like 'stop beatingMuslims please' will change anything ?
The UN pointed those things out. Chinadenied. What do you think France should do in this context ?

当你买东西的时候，你觉得你是在和收银员合作吗？
你消息灵通，把一切都搞混了。从利比亚到中国，没有任何联系。你会得出这样的结论:“他们卖枪给他们，他们是混蛋！”
如果伊朗或利比亚想要找到武器，他们会找到武器，不管谁卖。所以，是的，我宁愿让我的民主国家拿走这些钱，而不是其他一些该死的地方。



[–]leonkitano
Yes, regimes like the Russian, Syrian,Chinese, Iranian shouldn't be tolerated.

是的，像俄罗斯、叙利亚、中国和伊朗这样的政权不应该被容忍。

[–]toughguyoninternet
Are they going to see all the coalfactories which China is still building?

他们会去参观中国仍在建设的所有煤炭工厂吗？