澳大利亚网站称中国确认禁止从澳大利亚进口煤炭（下）(已证实是假消息) [澳大利亚媒体]

China confirms ban of Australian coal imports

中国确认禁止从澳大利亚进口煤炭

[–]Pons__Aelius 11 6
The art of war, written 2,500 years ago, is still read in military colleges around the world. The weapons we fight with have changed in that time. Tactics, logistics, and strategy? not so much.

《孙子兵法》写于2500年前，至今仍为世界各地的军事院校所阅读。在这段时间里，我们使用的武器发生了变化。但战术、后勤和战略呢？并非如此。



[–]subtropics 13 6
Do they preserve their traditionally strong card of national security and keep a public, hard stance against cyber China? Or do they pander to their donors and mates in the coal lobby and soften language towards China?

他们是否保留了传统的国家安全王牌，并对网络中国保持公开、强硬的立场？或者，他们会在煤炭游说团中迎合捐赠者和伙伴，软化对中国的措辞吗？

[–]MagnesiumOvercast 147 6
Pea brain: The coal ban has nothing to do with diplomatic tensions.
Normal brain: The coal ban is the Chinese applying financial pressure to achieve political aims.
Big brain: The coal ban is not broad enough to be effective, thus it is more of a threat than an actual attack, and a threat that they are unlikely to make good on given their reliance on imported energy.
Galaxy brain: Actually, the coal ban is good because the coal industry is bad and needs to die to meet our climate goals.

豌豆脑：煤炭禁令与外交紧张关系无关。
正常大脑：禁煤是中国人为了达到政治目的而施加的财政压力。
脑容量大：煤炭禁令的范围还不够广，不足以产生效果，因此与其说它是一场真正的攻击，不如说它是一种威胁，鉴于它们对进口能源的依赖，这种威胁不太可能得到兑现。
银河大脑：事实上，煤炭禁令是好的，因为煤炭工业是坏的，需要死亡来满足我们的气候目标。



[–]laserframe 13 6
Sorry but that isn't the case, Australian coal on average will release less C02 per unit of energy than it's Russian, Indonesian or China counterpart. This is not good at all for the world, it's bad for Austalia's economy and even worse for the world global emissions and Chinese citizens themselves.

遗憾的是，事实并非如此，澳大利亚的煤炭平均每单位能源释放的二氧化碳要少于俄罗斯、印尼或中国的煤炭。这对世界一点好处都没有，对澳大利亚的经济不利，对全球排放和中国公民本身更是不利。

[–]MagnesiumOvercast 6 6
Hmmm... you are right about the CO2, although reading the article again it says that this mainly affects coking coal, which has to be high grade.

嗯……你说得对，尽管这篇文章又读了一遍，它说这主要影响焦煤，焦煤必须是优质的。

[–]BodyMassageMachineGo 5 5
Does that factor in the emissions from shipping the coal from australian mine to chinese power plant?
The shitty fuel that most shipping tankers burn is some of the most polluting fossil fuels around, and those ships burn a metric fuckton of it an hour.

这是否将澳大利亚煤矿运往中国发电厂的煤炭排放考虑在内？
大多数油轮燃烧的劣质燃料是周围污染最严重的化石燃料，而这些船每小时燃烧1吨。

[–][deleted] 4 5
Yes. Bulk transport to China uses less energy than the 50km of rail transport to port.

是的。到中国的散货运输比到港口的50公里铁路运输消耗更少的能源。



[–]wowzeemissjane 2 6
Except they are pretty aware of the effects of smog and pollution at this point. Why wouldn’t they just go renewables?

除了他们现在非常清楚雾霾和污染的影响。为什么他们不直接使用可再生能源呢?

[–]aussielander -1 6
Because coal is much cheaper, it's not my decision, the guys that makes billions out of this are calling the shots.

因为煤要便宜得多，这不是我的决定，从中获利数十亿的人说了算。

[–]Fredstar64 8 6
China is literally the world's biggest investor and market for renewable energy

中国确实是世界上最大的可再生能源投资者和市场

[–]WitchettyCunt 1 5
They can't build them as quickly as they need energy so they are supplementing new renewable generators with fossil fuels ones. The trend is heavily in favour of renewables so it's not even close to fair to say they aren't already going for renewables.

他们无法在需要能源时尽快建造，所以他们正在用化石燃料来补充新的可再生能源发电机。这一趋势在很大程度上有利于可再生能源，所以说他们已经不再使用可再生能源，这是不公平的。

[–]Brokenmonalisa 3 6
Chine have commited greatly to reduce emissions though

不过，中国在减排方面取得了巨大成就



[–]eptftz 2 6
It's more the potential for further escalation, sentiment about the future rather than current reality.

更重要的是未来局势进一步升级的可能性，是对未来的看法，而不是当前的现实。

[–]MainPark 11 6
It’s one port in China that did this right? Not all of China? The headline seems sensationalized.

这只是中国的一个港口，对吧？不是整个中国所有港口？这个标题似乎耸人听闻。

[–]grapesinajar -1 6
So, assuming China is doing this as a "shot across the bow" in response to Huawei ban, this just shows exactly why we should be cautious of Chinese companies!
Any time China wants to send a warning and punish a country for some political thing they don't like (say recognising Taiwan as a country which it fucking clearly is) they get one of their footsoldier companies to stop buying some export from that country.
China does this all the time. Canada, Philippines, Indonesia.. some dispute comes up and China tells its companies not to buy some key export. Then China cries how "unfair" and "unjustified" it is to limit dealings with their companies. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
So thanks China for showing that we are, in fact, correct to say fuck off to Huawei. Come back when your companies deal independently of your repressive, stone-age politics.

所以，假设中国这么做是对华为禁令的“开弓”回应，这恰恰说明了我们为什么要对中国企业保持谨慎！
任何时候，只要中国想因为一些他们不喜欢的政治事件（比如承认台湾是一个guo家，而它确实是一个guo家）而对一个国家发出警告和惩罚，他们就会让自己的“武器型”公司停止从那个国家购买一些出口产品。
中国一直在这么做。加拿大、菲律宾、印度尼西亚。出现了一些争端，中国告诉本国企业不要购买一些关键的出口产品。然后，中国抱怨限制与本国企业的交易是多么“不公平”和“不公平”。虚伪是可笑的。
因此，感谢中国向我们证明，我们对华为说“滚开”是正确的。当你们的公司什么时候独立于压制性的石器时代的政治而运作时，再回来。



[–]try_____another 1 5
They could cause a lot of trouble, but Australia is a small enough fish that they probably wouldn’t do more than bluff in case it prompted anyone else to elect someone with enough sense to wean their economy off Chinese trade. So long as they can but cheap minerals in Australia and sell everything else Australia wants, they’re better off not having to spend money on Australia.

他们可能会造成很多麻烦，但澳大利亚是一条很小的鱼，他们可能不会做更多的事情，只是虚张声势，以防此事会促使其他国家选择有足够判断力的贸易对象，从而让它们的经济摆脱对中国贸易的依赖。只要它们能在澳大利亚购买廉价的矿产，并出售澳大利亚想要的一切，他们就最好不要在澳大利亚花钱了。

[–]anndnow 1 5
I think this is a positive in terms of environment. I'm not going into the political stuff behind the ban..

我认为就环境保护而言，这是一个积极的事件。我不会涉及禁令背后的政治因素。

[–]HideAndSeekLOGIC 1 5
It's almost as if literally every investor saw this coming, and yet the Coalition still chose to give massive payouts to various coal companies

几乎每个投资者都预见到了这一点，但澳洲联盟仍然选择向不同的煤炭公司提供巨额补贴

[–]apokalypsezz 1 5
as much hate US but china should be twice hated..can't be trusted especially come to trade, we need to bow down to them and listen to them? fuck that...

虽然也有很多的人恨美国，但中国应该被恨两倍……尤其是在贸易方面，我们不能信任他们，我们需要向他们低头，听他们的吗？去他ma的……



[–]frmby -1 5
It’s funny the whole western world accuses China but they don’t counter accuse.

有趣的是，整个西方世界都在指责中国，但他们却不反驳。

[–]angilinwago 2 6
Haven't you already been doing all these?

你不是已经在做这些了吗？

[–]Mingablo 2 5
It takes 2 to deal, maybe you should try convincing people not to sell to China. Its a bit hard when no one else is buying.

有买家有买家才能做成交易，也许你应该试着说服人们不要卖给中国。没人买的时候有点难。

[–]angilinwago 5 5
I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. It's sad almost pathetic if baby milk powder is the only thing Australia has as a bargaining chip.
And it's actually the other way around, chinese government is more likely to ban the milk powder if they want to teach Australia a lesson.
Also there are more than a million chinese in Australia, just because you heard/saw a few bad rotten apples buying out all the milk powder in the supermarket, it doesn't mean the entire country can't live without Australian milk powder. In fact, only poor people in china buy Australian milk powder. Rich chinese buy European or American milk powder.

我不知道你是认真的还是在讽刺。如果婴儿奶粉是澳大利亚唯一可以讨价还价的东西，那真是可悲。
而事实恰恰相反，如果中国想给澳大利亚一个教训，他们更有可能禁止进口澳大利亚的奶粉。
在澳大利亚也有100多万中国人，仅仅因为你听到/看到一些“坏苹果”在超市里买光了所有的奶粉，并不意味着中国整个国家就不能没有澳大利亚奶粉。事实上，只有中国的穷人才会购买澳大利亚的奶粉。富有的中国人都购买欧洲或美国的奶粉。