美国退出巴黎协定，中国有机会领导，但是中国会吗？英国网友评

-------------译者：Ice and Fire-

As Donald Trump walked off the stage in the Rose Garden after announcing the US would withdraw from the Paris climate agreement one could practically hear the champagne corks popping in Beijing.

R03;当唐纳德·特朗普在宣布美国将退出《巴黎气候协定》之后离开玫瑰园的舞台时，人们几乎可以听到北京打开香槟庆祝的声音。

Chinese leaders are eager for more influence on the international stage and Trump’s move opened up another opportunity for China to fill a void left by the US.

R03;中国领导人渴望在国际舞台上获得更多的影响力，而特朗普的行为为中国开启了另外一个机会去填补美国离开后留下的空白。

“China is taking a very internationalist stance so taking the leadership on climate fits in well to that and they will be able to dramatically expand clean energy investment and markets overseas” said Kate Gordon a senior advisor at the Paulson Institute focusing on climate change. “That’s all opposed to a very nationalist stance from the United States.”

R03;”中国采取的是国际主义者的立场，所以担任气候方面的领袖与这一立场相符合，而且中国有能力在海外急剧扩大清洁能源投资和市场。”凯特·戈登，一个就职于关注气候变化的保尔森基金会的高级顾问说，“这与美国的民族主义立场截然相反。”

-------------译者：bauer-

China is grappling with clouds of toxic smog that frequently blanket the country’s cities. In an effort to clean up the air and reduce emissions the government plans to spend 2.5tn yuan (￡280bn) on renewables by 2020 an investment that is projected to create 13m jobs in China.

中国正在与经常席卷全国城市的有毒雾霾做斗争。为了清洁空气和减少排放，政府计划在2020年前花费2.5万亿人民币（2800亿美元）在可再生能源上。预计这将在中国创造1300万个工作岗位。

While China is taking aggressive actions it remains the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases about double the US. Although in terms of carbon emissions per person China produces less than half compared to the US.

虽然中国正在采取积极的措施，它目前仍然是世界上最大的温室气体排放国，大约是美国的两倍。尽管以人均碳排放来计算，中国的排放量不到美国的一半。

英国卫报读者评论

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ID2447392
The importance of something is often not realized or appreciated until it's gone which may be the lesson learned if U.S. assistance is withdrawn. When assistance from China is experienced that assistance from the U.S. wasn't as bad as critics claimed may well be obvious and appreciated. Stepping back and making way for China to take world leadership and responsibility could prove the best move Trump will ever make. Tricky Dick brought China on to the world stage. Dumb Don may make China's leaders realize that you should be careful about what you wish for and inadvertently improve our country's stature around the world.

一件事物的重要性通常不被认识到，直到它消失。如果美国退出的话，（世界）可能才会认识到这个道理。当（世界）体验了中国的帮助之后，美国的帮助可能就不会向那些批评者声称的那样不堪了。可能反而显得很重要而被感激。退后一步，让中国接手世界的领导可能是特朗普走的最好的一步棋。尼克松让中国站到了世界舞台上，特朗普可能让中国认识到，你应该对自己的愿望更谨慎些。（这样下来可能）无意中提高了我国在世界上的地位。

PrinceVlad
And in the process they will drive the rhino and tiger to extinction and overfish the oceans. What a wonderful country. How environmentally responsible. Not.

然后在这个过程中他们会让犀牛和老虎灭绝，过度捕捞海洋。多么美好的国家啊。多么有环保责任心啊。别了。

PrinceVlad
Is this a joke? Under the accord China can continue to increase emissions for another 15 years.

这是个玩笑么？在这个协定下，中国可以继续增加排放15年。

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xwookey
China has more wind capacity than any European country and 2/3 as much as all of Europe combined Equally significantly they have the worlds fastest rate of EV adoption have built 20 new nuclear plants and are building 20 more. They also have the worlds highest penetration of solar hot water systems. And the place is run by engineers not lawyers so there really isn't much science/reality-denial. The Chinese leadership know what a low-carbon future looks like and are making significant efforts to get there. They are doing a better job than the much-lauded Germans at the moment.

中国比任何欧洲国家都拥有更多的风能，大约是整个欧洲加在一起的2/3。 同样重要的是，他们有世界上最快的电动车采用率，他们建了20座核电厂而且正在建造两外20多座。他们也拥有世界上渗透率最高的天阳能热水系统。 这个国家是被工程师掌控的，而不是律师，所以那里实际上没有什么否认科学（现实）的事情发生。中国的领导者知道一个低碳的未来是什么样子的，而且正在作出卓越的努力去实现。他们当前比广受赞誉的德国人做的还要好。

xwookey
Emissions is largely a per-capita thing although there is also a per-country overhead element which is why very small nations usually have very high per-capita footprints. Per capita is the best way to work out if a country is 'doing its fair share' with some allowance for the 'tiny country' issue. So Quatar Trinidad and Tobago Kuwait Bahrain Brunei UAE Luxembourg and Saudi Arabia are all worse than the US. Australia is the same as the US. (2013 numbers http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC/?year_high_desc=false) The US has both a large population _and_ high per capita emissions which is why it's so important at around 20% of world anthropogenic emissions

排放大体上是一个人均的事情，尽管也存在按国家计算的总量因素。这就是为什么一些小国拥有非常高的人均数值。除了给”微小国家“一点儿照顾外，人均值是判断一个国家是否在合理排放的最好尺度。所以（在人均排放上）卡塔尔、特立尼达和多巴哥、科威特、巴林、文莱、阿联酋、卢森堡和沙特都比美国还要差。澳大利亚跟美国差不多。（2013年的数据 http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC/?year_high_desc=false) 美国同时拥有一个巨大的人口数量和人均排放量，所以它非常重要，世界上由人类制造的排放量中的大约20%（由美国产生）。

-------------译者：bauer-

xwookey
Chinese birthrate is exactly the same as the UK: 1.56 babies per woman. (See http://gapminder.org for data). That's well below replacement rate (2.1) so the population is set to decline over time. China fixed its population growth issue a long time ago.

中国的生育率和英国是完全一样的：每个妇女生1.56个孩子。（http://gapminder.org for data). 这远远低于自然替代率（每个妇女生2.1个孩子）。所以中国的人口注定要慢慢下降。中国在很久以前就修正了自己的人口增长问题。

BraceYourself
To look good next to their neighbours? And in the case of poorer countries so they'd be given free cash?

为了在邻居面前显得好看些？ 而那些贫困的国家会得到免费的钞票吗？

ID2310987
Scientists tend to be inhumane when dealing with their subject of study. Governments should act on what scientitific research tells them. It is the policy makers who must do the balancing act. Exactly. That is what the Paris agreement was about. There are also a lot of crooked scientists out there from the inventor of "scientific communism" to Lysenko to Mengele. Yeah Dr. Mengele will see you now...... That doesn't prove that thousands of scientists from scores of countries with research spanning decades aren't trustworthy.

科学家在处理自己的研究课题时会倾向于显得没人性。政府们应该根据科学研究的结论展开行动。政策制定者们必须做出平衡。那正是巴黎协定的内容。世上有很多腐败的科学家，比如”科学共产主义“的发明者，到Lysenko，到Mengele。 是的，Mengele博士在这里出现了... 但这并不能证明那么多国家的数以千计的科学家十几年来的研究是不可信的。

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Lindisfarn
We could of course use fission reactors hydrolyse water and get rid of a lot of petroleum products used in transportation but the anti nuclear arts grads would never let us do that.
My comment about the press is that reporting seems to becoming less obxtive and more biased. Thus the majority of the press being fed up that the democrats did not gain office in the US will not give up and report rationally.
Similarly the right wing press will inaccurately report things in their own way re the French election etc.

我们当然可以开发核能取代烧油的汽车，但是那些反核的文科生不让啊。
说到媒体，最近的报道像是越来越不客观了。大部分媒体都充斥着民主党支持者不甘失败的不理性声音。
同样的共和党的右翼台也是按自己的路子瞎报道，比如说法国大选。

violagirl
Recently there have been break throughs in hydrogen fuel cells so it actually may be happening.

最近氢燃料电池技术有突破，所以未来是有希望的。

thegutterpoet
It's a stage play...follow the money see where huge masses of it ends in the shadows.
a glimpse at the true leaders

这都是台上作秀……查查看巨额资金的流向你就明白谁才是幕后领袖

-------------译者：bloodmouse-

ID2310987
Ok pretty sick of talking to brick walls. I'm pretty sure everyone thinks the same about talking to you. This has nothing to do with combating climate change. So why did virtually every government of every political persuasion sign up to this agreement? Try to give a sensible reply without getting into conspiracy territory.

好吧，对着一堵砖头墙说话的人一般病得都不轻。我也能肯定大家都会觉得和你说话不会比对着墙说话要好到哪去。这和对抗气候变化没关系？那为什么几乎所有国家不管什么政治派别的政府都签署了这份协议？试试扔掉你的那些阴谋论，给一个合情合理的答案。

ID2310987
Fusion and the hydrogen economy are the answer but no one wants to talk about it. Millions is being spent on fusion research and it is often discussed. To the best of my knowledge there is no guarantee that there will ever be a breakthrough that will lead to commercial use. I'm not sure what any of it has to do with the "liberal press".

（可控）核聚变和氢经济就是答案，但是没人想去说。成百上千万的资金被花费到（可控）核聚变的研究上，而且这还经常被拿出来讨论。就我所知，未来是否会有突破性进展并且进行商业应用，这一点保证都没有。我不知道这些和“自由出版社”到底有啥关系。

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disqusagain
No but it will be a changed relationship and perhaps not built on the same level of trust as previously enjoyed but hopeful trump is a brief and passing phase. He must not be allowed to further divide Europe as the uk are doing or have a negative influence on European values and culture. Seems under May there is already a further natural drift of northern hemisphere Anglo Saxons to all stick together. As for China England is already looking to them to build trade relations which will quite naturally extend into cultural and other areas as more come to work or establish themselves in the Uk.

不，但是关系会发生改变，而且相互之间的信任程度还不及以前，但是还好川普的任期不长。不能允许他进一步分裂欧洲了，正如英国现在正在做的那样，也不能让他对欧洲的价值观和文化产生消极影响。貌似在梅首相的领导下，北半球的盎格鲁-撒克逊人正紧密团结在一起。就中国而言，英格兰已经寻求和他们建立贸易关系，所以很自然的合作领域将延伸到文化和其他领域，因为会有越来越多的中国人来英国工作和创业。

-------------译者：Linsanity2018-

Defendobot
There's 33 g of deuterium in every ton of water and the energy that would be released from fusing just one gram of deuterium is a mind-boggling 100 000 kWh. Nuclear fusion is the Holy Grail of energy technology...
That been said if achieved all those Big Oil dudes who contribute millions to the GOP campaign will be out of business. So they have zero - even less than zero - interest to promote such technologies.

每吨水中都含有33克氘，而每克氘聚变所释放的能量是惊人的100000千瓦时。可控核聚变技术就是能源技术领域的圣杯。
然而，假如可控核聚变得以实现，那些向共和党捐款数百万美元的石油巨头们就要失业了。
因此他们对推广此项技术毫无兴趣，甚至持负面态度。

Lindisfarn
If we really really want to rid ourselves of the use of fossil fuels we should maximize research into fusion.
But we won't do that.
The liberal press will complain but the average joe will go the cheapest route.
Thus areas of the world will flood and millions will move.
Fusion and the hydrogen economy are the answer but no one wants to talk about it.

如果我们真想摆脱对化石燃料的依赖，那就应该在可控核聚变的研究上进行最大限度的投入。
然而我们不会这么做。
那些自由派媒体只能抱怨一番，但普罗大众仍会继续选择成本最低廉的生活方式。
世界上的某些地方将被洪水淹没，数百万人将被迫迁徙。
可控核聚变与氢能源经济是解决这些问题的答案，但没有人愿意探讨它们。

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