沃尔沃经理承认，中国造的汽车质量优于欧洲产品：《今日俄罗斯》 [俄罗斯媒体]

A boy poses for a photo next to a Volvo C30 Electric car in Beijing

北京，一个小男孩在沃尔沃C30电动汽车旁拍照



Swedish car maker Volvo says its vehicles built in China might actually be superior in quality to those it makes in Europe.

瑞典汽车制造商沃尔沃称，其在中国生产的汽车，质量上可能已实实在在超越了其在欧洲生产的同型产品。

In an interview with Australia’s Go Auto, Volvo's senior vice-president of design, Robin Page, admitted that some were concerned about the automaker’s decision to build many of its vehicles in China.

在接受澳大利亚GoAuto网站采访时，沃尔沃设计高级副总裁罗宾·佩奇（Robin Page）承认，的确曾有人担心公司关于在中国大量生产汽车的决定。

“What we’re finding is that the quality of the cars is actually better in China than in Europe. Everyone was worried about quality, but as soon as they [the Chinese – Ed.] started the quality was even higher than in Europe,” Page said.

佩奇说：“但我们发现，在中国生产的汽车，质量实际上要优于欧洲。每个人都曾担心质量问题，但当他们（中国人——原文编辑注）的生产开始后，产品质量甚至比欧洲还高。”

He attributed the difference to the greater automation in manufacturing at European factories. Chinese factories produce such high-quality vehicles because they rely less on automation and have tighter tolerances, the official explained.

他将这种差异归因于欧洲制造厂更大规模的自动化生产。中国工厂生产出如此高质量的汽车所依赖的自动化程度更低，对偏差的容忍也更严格。

“To be honest with you, if you talk to the (European) manufacturing guys, they’ve put so much automation into the system, you haven’t got that manual adjust. They’ve [Chinese factories –Ed.] got more people on it, less automation, which actually gives you that ability to get tighter on the tolerances … and make finer adjustments.

这位官员解释道：“老实跟你说，要是你去和那些（欧洲）制造业的家伙们聊聊，你就会发现他们在生产体系里使用了多少自动化的东西——手动调节实在太少。他们（中国工厂——原文编辑注）则使用了更多人力，自动化程度低一些，这实际上会允许你对误差做出更严格的限制……还能作出更精细的调整。”

“It’s not a massive difference, but if you do scores-to-scores and averages, China’s pretty damn good, so we’re not so worried about that now,” said Page.

佩奇还说：“差距并不大，但如果你去逐项评分，再取均值——中国的（产品）就真是很不错。现在我们都不再那么担心了。”

Volvo started exporting Chinese-built vehicles around the world four years ago. First, it began sending the long-wheelbase version of the previous-generation S60 to the United States. The company has also shifted production of its S90 sedan from Sweden to China at the end of 2016.

沃尔沃在四年前开始向全世界出口中国生产的汽车。一开始，它把前一代S60车型的长轴距版卖到美国。到2016年底，公司已经把S90型轿子生产从瑞典转移到了中国。

The automaker plans to build various electric Volvos and Lynk & Co models in China, and export them to foreign markets.

这家汽车制造商计划在中国生产各种型号的沃尔沃电动汽车，以及林克（Lynk & Co，吉利汽车集团和沃尔沃联姻后推出的品牌）各型品牌车，再将它们出口到国外市场。

《今日俄罗斯》的评论

George Dang    30 Likes
Rule of the thumb:
Compare 2 products of the same quality - the Chinese one will cost less.
Compare 2 products of the same cost - the Chinese one will have higher quality.
Or is that obvious?

我的经验法则：
比较两款质量相当的同类产品——中国制造价格更低。
比较两款价格相当的同类产品——中国制造质量更好。
或者说，这早就是显而易见的事了？

George Dang    @George Dang    19 Likes
Lesson from Samsung's burning phones: they are all from the batch using South Korean made batteries, none are from the batch using Chinese made batteries. Samsung paid only 2x as much for the South Korean batteries as they did with the earlier batch of Chinese batteries. You need to pay more than 2x to achieve the same quality.

三星燃烧机的教训：它们全部出自使用韩国电池的批次，没有一部来自使用中国电池的批次。三星只为这些韩国电池支付了2倍于前期批次使用的中国电池的价格。结论：要获得（与中国产品）相同的质量，（购买他国产品）价格必须高于2倍。

Robby    @George Dang    2 Likes
Not true, the Chinese batteries were exploding too.  The problem was not in the battery itself but from the specified dimensions.   They did not allow for adequate expansion so the batteries from both Korean and Chinese manufacturs were exploding.  On that note, I miss my Note 7 ;(

不对，中国产的电池也爆了。问题不是出自电池本身，而是规定尺寸不对。设计的尺寸没有给电池充分膨胀留足空间，所以不论韩国还是中国产的电池都会爆。说到这，我好想我的三星Note7 ：(

Rich496    @George Dang    2 Likes
Rule of the thumb:
You outsource manufacturing abroad you make your own people unemployed.

我的经验法则：
你把制造业外包，你们的人就会失业。

Jon Parks    @George Dang
The only reason this is a news story is because everyone knows chinese stuff is trash.

这个能成新闻唯一的原因就是：每个人都知道中国货很垃圾。

George Dang    @Jon Parks    3 Likes
Everyone knows American propaganda, not everyone believes in it.

每个人都知道这是美国的宣传，但不是每个人都会信它。

Kodi FM    24 Likes
Sadly ford lost its sparks in many parts of the world long ago ... The Japanese and Germans survived

可惜在全世界很多地区，福特的品牌早就不再闪闪发光了……最后是日本人、德国人存活了下来
（译注：前面应该是有人在缅怀沃尔沃在福特旗下的时光。不过被删了）

George Dang    13 Likes
It's not the brand, it's the producer/owner. Volvo is Chinese owned and produced now, thus, change. If it stays American owned, there would have been no changes.

不是品牌的问题，要看是谁拥有/谁生产。沃尔沃现在就是中国人拥有中国人生产，这就是求变。如果沃尔沃始终是美国人当老板，就不会有什么改变。

Fatback33    @George Dang    1 Like
My point is that I wish Ford would have retained ownership of Volvo. They have a great reputation and nice looking vehicles. I would have sourced Volvo designers for Lincoln vehicles.  I would have even tried to bring the Volvo brand into Lincoln dealerships.  I am sure the Volvo dealer network was an issue.

我的意思是说，我希望福特当初没有卖掉沃尔沃。他们有很高的声誉，很好的汽车外观。要是我就从林肯汽车（也是福特旗下的品牌）那里找沃尔沃的设计师。我甚至会把沃尔沃这个品牌直接给林肯的经销商。我确信，沃尔沃的经销商网络肯定有问题。

George Dang    Fatback33    4 Likes
The owner was the issue. Unlike the Chinese, Ford didn't invest enough into Volvo, let it slip and languish. Quality declined, design aged, and dealership network suffered. The Chinese gave it the attention and investment it deserved, linked it to efficient and effective production plants, so the Volvo brand made a comeback.

谁当老板还是很关键的。不像中国人，福特对沃尔沃投资严重不足，才造成它走下坡路、失去活力。质量下滑、设计老旧，受苦的则是经销商网络。中国人则为沃尔沃投入了足够的专注和相称的投资，为它制定可行而高效的生产计划，所以沃尔沃这个牌子才能起死回生。

Vincent Ferrari    4 Likes
Ford- Fix Or Repair Daily

FORD——每天-修修-要么-补补（的首字母缩写）

Kodi FM    9 Likes
Ouch!! How dare an Europen claims China  is better ? They must be kidding! Hahaha ...

哎哟！！一个欧洲人怎敢瞎说什么“中国更好”？必须踢他屁股！哈哈哈……

Truth    @Kodi FM    13 Likes
It hurts Indians' feeling

这多伤三哥感情啊

Mynthon    4 Likes
[Citation needed.] Russia's car production is quite large, but it's never going to be one of its main strengths (read up on comparative advantage). Also look at Norway's and Australia's exports. Lastly, Russia's living standards are higher than China's: considerably higher PPP GDP per capita and HDI.

（需要引证的）俄罗斯的汽车制造业规模也不小，但恐怕永远也不会发展成为市场的主导力量（可以详细研究一下相对优势理论）。同时也可以了解一下挪威和澳大利亚的出口情况。最后，俄罗斯的生活水平还是要比中国的高：按购买力平价（PPP=Purchasing-Power Parities）计算的人均国内生产总值（GDP=Gross Domestic Product）、人类发展指数（HDI=Human Development Index）都要高不少。

Sergio Weigel    9 Likes
And when did the Arabs ever build a car?

阿拉伯人有造过汽车么？

Dirk    @Sergio Weigel    6 Likes
They try to make their own camels.

他们努力的方向是自己制造骆驼。

Christian Winter    @Dirk    4 Likes
Abusing that goat twice a day doesn't end up with a baby camel though. :)

然而一天虐两回山羊，最终也换不来一只骆驼宝宝。：)

Daryl B    @Dirk
The Arabs even import camels from Australia.

阿拉伯人还要从澳大利亚进口骆驼呢。

Christian Winter    18 Likes
Chinese can do both, cheap and sloppy and excellent quality for rather very high prices. There is pretty much nothing in China you can't have from cheap to prices that are almost unbelievable. The cheap stuff goes into export.

便宜又劣质的、价格颇高而品质极佳的，中国人都能造。在中国你几乎什么都能找到，从最廉价的到贵得没人性的。便宜货都用来出口了。

Mu Mark    11 Likes
without this money from China, Volvo maybe out of the car market,  Chinese using their funds update the car brand and make it more famous in the market, can't you feel that?

没有中国的资金，沃尔沃可能已经从汽车市场上消失了。你们感觉到没？中国人用他们的资金升级了沃尔沃的品牌，使它在市场上更出名了。

Snooze Awake    2 Likes
There's a limit to how much you can get from automation. Machines can't exercise judgement, they can't generalize, they don't understand context, they can't solve problems they haven't been taught or programmed to solve. You need the human element as the Chinese seem to understand, and are producing higher-quality output.

你能从自动化生产中得到的好处是有限的。机器没有判断能力，也不能形成概念，不能理解语境，不能解决未被编程教授过的任何问题。人力因素必不可少，中国人看来是明白其中道理的，所以能造出更高质量的产品。

K3K    
Not even surprising anymore.
Europe, just like most of the West, is descending to third-world standards at top speed.

已经不觉得新奇了。
欧洲，和整个西方一样，正以最快的速度向第三世界标准滑落。

reddit网友评论

[–]elmoheadbutt 2
It's somewhat subtle advertising. But you cannot deny the quality of Volvos these days are rising. Who here bought Geely shares back when it was cheap?

这算是某种巧妙的广告吧。但不能否认沃尔沃这些年质量是有提高。这里有谁买过吉利车的，分享一下它以前便宜的时候怎么样？

[–]Hund-kex 8
Back when Volvo was owned by Sweden it was dying. Geely didn’t make it clearly top tier brand but at least somewhat comparable. Assuming a no US propaganda scenario, it seems that Chinese car design is somewhere in between French/American and German.

沃尔沃老板还是瑞典人的时候已经快不行了。吉利虽然没有使它成为绝对的顶级品牌，但至少已经很有竞争力了。设想一下，这可是个没有美国式宣传的场景——看起来中国人的汽车设计能力已经处在法国人/美国人与德国人之间了。

[–]tt598 7
It's a stretch to call it Chinese car design. Their R&D and design is located in Sweden, and I doubt that place is full of Chinese.
Brands like BYD are fully Chinese and not doing too bad either.

把它叫做中国人设计的汽车有点牵强了。它们的研发（R&D = Research and Development）和设计都在瑞典当地，我想那里应该不会都是中国人吧。
像比亚迪这样的品牌倒是完全中国的，而且也挺不错。

[–]Hund-kex
The top command is in China, regional R&D places exist everywhere around Europe and Asia, possibly US as well.
Brands like BYD would have some offshore plants as well, that doesn’t mean they aren’t fully Chinese.

最高总部事实上就在中国，而地区性的研发部门则到处都是，欧洲、亚洲，可能连美国也有。
同时，像比亚迪这样的品牌也会有一些海外工厂，但这并不影响它完全是中国的。

[–]Gang_Chinese (HK) 5
According this article, Volvo started to manufacture cars in China beginning in 2016. I'm not sure if this comment from the executive is just self-promotion on the behalf of Volvo to assure international buyers, who would likely be suspect about the quality of Chinese made vehicles, not to worry about the quality of Chinese-made vehicles?
Either way, now that Geely owns Volvo, each vehicle is "Chinese" no matter where it is made. Along with their promise that all vehicles that will launch from 2019 onwards will be hybrid or fully electric, my next car will undoubtedly be a Geely Volvo. Volvo has distribution channels in Hong Kong already, and they've been there for decades (my Dad's first car was a Volvo) so HKers can buy them right away.

根据这篇文章，沃尔沃是2016年开始在中国生产汽车的。我不确定这位经理的评论是否仅仅是在代表沃尔沃做自我推销，以安抚国际购买者（这些人很可能会担心中国生产的汽车质量），让他们不要担心？
不管怎样，现在吉利是沃尔沃的老板，所以不论在哪生产，都是“中国车”。而且因为他们承诺自2019年起生产的每一辆汽车都将是混合动力或纯电动的，我的下一辆毫无疑问将会是吉利沃尔沃。香港早就有沃尔沃的分销渠道，已经几十年了（我父亲的第一辆车就是沃尔沃），所以香港人买沃尔沃非常方便。

[–]shadows888Chinese 6
pretty much everyone i talked to, the new Volvo cars (which none of them knows are actually Made in China) are nice, so much better than their previous lineups.

差不多和我谈论过的每个人，都觉得沃尔沃的新车很不错（而他们竟没有一个人知道这车其实是中国制造的），比它们之前生产的几款强太多了。