爱因斯坦认为印度人愚蠢吗？印网友热议

DidEinstein believe Indians were stupid? His diaries suggest so.

爱因斯坦认为印度人愚蠢吗？他在日记里是这么认为的。

In 1946, physicist AlbertEinstein, speaking at an American college that was the first to give degrees toblack people, denounced racism in a speech that birthed one of his most popularquotes: "Racism is a disease of white people."

在1946年，物理学家阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦在美国第一所授予黑人学位的大学发表演讲，谴责了种族主义。他在演讲中引用了他最著名的名言之一：“种族主义是白人的一种疾病。”

Twodecades earlier, he may have been diagnosed with the same disease had peoplethen been aware of a bunch of diary entries the Nobel-winning scientist wroteduring an Asia tour.

20年前，如果当时人们知道这位诺贝尔奖得主在一次亚洲之行中所写的一系列日记的话，他可能也会被诊断出患有同样的疾病，

Thosediary entries have been made public recently and have sparked a debate onEinstein's views on race and of people from India, Sri Lanka and China.

这些日记最近被公开，并引发了一场关于爱因斯坦对种族以及来自印度、斯里兰卡和中国的人们的看法的辩论。

EINSTEIN ON INDIANS

爱因斯坦怎么看印度人

Writing in theintroduction of his compilation of Einstein's travel dairies, Rosenkranz saysthat the scientist's comments about Indians, Chinese and Japanese display abelief that is "a clear hallmark of racism".

罗森克兰兹在《爱因斯坦旅行日记》的序言中写道，这位科学家对印度人、中国人和日本人的评论表现出一种“明显的种族主义特征”。

Einstein,the editor writes, came across Indians in Colombo during his Far East voyageand mentioned their existence by referring to their "primitivelives".

这位编者写道，爱因斯坦在他的远东之旅中遇到了在科伦坡的印度人，并在涉及他们的“原始生活”的部分时提到了他们的存在。

"[Einstein] alsobelieves that 'the climate prevents them from thinking backward or forward bymore than a quarter of an hour', an attitude that reveals both Einstein'sbelief in geographical determinism and in the Indians' alleged intellectualinferiority," Rosenkranz writes.

罗森克兰兹写道：“(爱因斯坦)还认为，‘这的气候让他们无法持续思考超过15分钟，’这种态度既反映了爱因斯坦坚信地理决定论，也反映了其坚信所谓的印度人智力低劣。”

Theclimate and its alleged effect on Indians comes up again in Einstein's diaries.

气候及其对印度人的影响在爱因斯坦的日记中再次出现。

Accordingto Rosenkranz, Einstein attributes the "alleged stoicism of the Indians heencounters to geographical determination [by asking]: 'Wouldn't we too, in thisclimate, become like the Indians?'."

根据罗森克兰兹的说法，爱因斯坦将“他所遇到的印度人所谓的恬淡寡欲的性格归因于地理决定论，（并反问自己）：‘在这种气候下，我们不会也变得像印度人一样吗?’”

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IndiaToday folks - do weneed certification from a 19th century scientist, however a genius he was? Wehave had our saints composing some of the exalted texts like Vedas andUpanishads and Bhagavad Geetha, some 10000 years ago when there was nothinglike western civilization. The likes of Einstein and Oppenheimer needed thesetexts to guide them in their life. Then Panini invented Sanskrit, the most scientificlanguage ever invented. Its grammar rules form the BNF or correctlyPanini-Backus form, which is the foundation of most modern day computerlanguages. There are tons of great literature in Sanskrit and various Indianlanguages some of which are more than 2000 years old. Then Indians invented thedecimal system and the concept of zero which even Einstein acknowledged thatwithout which no advancement in science could have ever been made. Mostrecently, we have had geniuses like Srinivasan Ramanujan whose mathematics isstill being digested by the west and the applications based on his math farexceed the capacity of yoru brains to realize. Then we had Bose that workedwith Einstein but was overshadowed by him, then another Bose that invented theradio but again stolen by one Marconi. What about CV Raman? Hargobind Khorana?Let us not even talk about Aryabhatta, Madhava, et al. Stop quoting onescientist to suppress your own fellow Indians and trivialize our achievements.
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《今日印度报》的子民——我们需要19世纪的科学家的认证吗?我们的圣人，在还没有西方文明的一万年前，就创作了不少伟大的作品，如《吠陀经》《奥义书》和《薄伽梵歌》。像爱因斯坦和奥本海默这样的人需要这些文集来指导他们的生活。然后帕尼尼发明了梵语，这是有史以来发明的最科学的语言。它的语法规则形成了巴科斯范式或者正确的说应该是帕尼尼-巴克斯范式形式，这是大多数现代计算机语言的基础。有成千上万的梵语和各种印度语言的伟大文学作品，其中一些已经有2000多年的历史。后来，印度人发明了十进制和零的概念，爱因斯坦也承认，如果没有零，科学就不会有任何进步。最近，我们有像斯里尼瓦桑·拉曼努詹这样的天才，他的数学仍在被西方吸收，基于他的数学的应用远远超出了你的大脑的认知能力。然后我们有了和爱因斯坦一起工作但被因此蒙上阴影的博斯，然后又有了发明无线电的博斯但是又被一个叫马可尼的家伙偷走了。拉曼呢? 哈尔呢?（译者：这俩都是诺贝尔奖得主）我们甚至不需要谈论阿雅巴塔、玛达瓦等人。停止引用一位科学家来打压你自己的印度同胞，并贬低我们的成就。

1.1（回复1）
Vedas have only ruinedIndians and so called Hindus.

吠陀经只毁灭了印度人和所谓的印度教徒。

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Blah, blah, blah like theaeroplanes and plastic surgeries in your Vedic age? When would Indians learn tocome out of age and these mythical trashes?

废话连篇！就像你说的吠陀时代的飞机和整形手术（一样扯淡）。印度人什么时候才能学会从这些垃圾神话传说中走出来？

1.2.1（回复1.2）
Are you convert able tocomprehend the facts I presented? Conversion damages the brain and makes oneloathe one's own country!

你能理解我所陈述的事实吗?你个脑残就知道让同胞厌恶自己的国家!

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Like Elijah going up in achariot of fire. Then the resurrection? Human coming back to life. Andfloating. Lazarus rising... walk on water....No, a statue of Christ is never anidol.

就像以利亚（希伯来先知）乘着燃烧战车升天。然后复活？人类重获新生。然后升仙。拉撒路（圣经中记载的死而复生的人物）复活……然后在水面上行走……都是假的，耶稣雕像从来就不值得崇拜。（译者：什么鬼，语无伦次……凑活看吧）

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you have a lot of hatredfor one community, that shows in your bigoted views.

你的顽固观点表现出你对这片土地恨得深沉。

1.2.4（回复1.2）
Your response is half baked.

你小学生吧。

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Does it matter who thinkswhat about whom? Einstein was a physicist. He was not a humanist. One may askMahatma Gandhi about kindness, truth, grace etc. We do not ask the Mahatmaabout physics.

谁认为谁怎么样重要吗?爱因斯坦是个物理学家。他不是一个人文主义者。人们可能会问圣雄甘地关于仁慈、真理、恩典等等。我们不会问圣雄甘地物理问题。

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He could be saying Indians(NativeAmericans) in north america. This article doesn't provide any context and pureclick bait. Shame on the journalist and India today.

他可能在说北美的印第安人。本文不提供任何上下文，且明显是为了骗你点击。今天的记者和印度真是可耻。

4.1（回复4）
These texts werespecifically taken from Einstein's Asian travel diary, read the articleat-least once. Also what a pity that the racist in you would have been happy ifEinsteins racist rhetoric had been about those red Indians.

这些内容明确取自爱因斯坦的亚洲旅行日记，所以请你至少读一次文章。另外，多遗憾啊，如果爱因斯坦的种族主义言论是关于那些印第安人的，你内心的种族主义会很高兴的。

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Nothing new.. Einstein wasa product of European thinking and back then the Europeans were pretty racist.

不新鲜。爱因斯坦是欧洲中心论的产物，那会儿的欧洲人都是种族主义者。

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They still are racist. Butthe rise of communism & liberalist discourse has tamed the sting of theirracism. Once liberals are gone because of the impending economic hardships thatEurope and indeed the West is destined to face, liberals would lose their space& racism with fascism would come to rule the roost. But it'll be good forIndia coz it would give us a reason to finish off the quislings Europeans leftbehind here to have a leach on our economic progress & military might.
Racism is an ideologyinspired by the beliefs of the Abrahamic faiths that fundamentally dividespeople into believers and non-believers. Unscrupulous elements, inspired bythese religious texts to discover new criterions for discrimination of whichrace & colour are but a few. It is also the reason why these abrahamicfaith systems must be shunned in India and their activities be constantly andvigilantly monitored lest they go back to playing their dirty old tricks again.

他们仍然是种族主义者。但是，gczy和自由主义言论的兴起，已经驯化了他们种族主义的利刺。一旦自由主义者因为欧洲和西方注定要面对的迫在眉睫的经济困难而消失，自由主义者就会失去他们的生存空间，而法西斯主义的种族主义就会占据统治地位。但这对印度来说是件好事，因为这将给我们一个理由来结束欧洲人留在印度的卖国贼，让他们了解我们的经济进步和军事实力。
种族主义是由亚伯拉罕宗教的信仰所激发的一种意识形态，它从根本上把人们分为信仰者和非信仰者。在这些宗教文本的启发下，这些不道德的人探索出新的歧视标准，而种族和肤色只不过是其中一小部分。这也是为什么印度必须避开这些亚伯拉罕的信仰体系，他们的活动必须被持续且警惕地监视，以免他们再次玩他们肮脏的旧把戏。

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dont drag abrahamic faithsas an excuse /this proves einstein is correct about indians//they alway lookfor others to blame and have an excuse for everything//

不要拿亚伯拉罕宗教作为借口//这证明了爱因斯坦关于印度人的看法是正确的//他们总是挑别人的毛病，并为每件事找借口//

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Einstein was a jew and atthe time Jews were the leaders of the 'Chosen People' non-sense of religions. Itis very different today. Jews of today are the biggest contributors to researchand development in all spheres of human life.
Today's jews (majority ofthem) are not conservative but inclusive mankind. They have faced persecutionand still face hostility of backward-religious-stuck. Anybody who livespeacefully in Israel and anywhere in the world with Jews can vouch for it. Theyare one of the best to live with, work with, interact with. Focused and sincerecitizens of the countries they live in. Yes, they feel threatened by extremistsof 57 religious grouping nations but it is but natural.
Past is past. Every racein the world was and is still racist amongst within themselves as well.
Today it is money andpower race, manipulating traditional races, religions, regions, languages andorientations.

爱因斯坦是犹太人，且那时候犹太人曾是对宗教不敏感的“天选之人”的领袖。如今大不相同了。如今的犹太人是人类生活各个领域的研究和发展的最大贡献者。
如今的犹太人(大多数)不是保守的，而是包容的。他们面临着迫害，且仍然面临着来自保守宗教的敌意。在以色列或世界上其他任何地方与犹太人和平相处的人都可以证明这一点。他们是最值得一起生活、一起工作、一起交流的人。他们国家的公民是专注且真诚的。因此，他们很自然地感受到了来自57个宗教集团国家的极端分子的威胁。
过去的已经过去。世界上的每个种族在过去和现在都是种族主义者。
（与以前不同的是）今天则是金钱和权力（取代种族）操纵着传统的种族、宗教、地区、语言和未来前进方向。

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When we visit many othercountries and come back to India, we feel sorry for ourselves, our roads aremost unplanned in the world. No, Einstein was wrong; we don't plan even 15 minsahead; we keep moving for ever without a plan, not knowing where we areheading. Only accidents stops us, many times dead.

当我们访问过许多其他国家再回到印度，我们会为自己感到羞愧，我们的道路是世界上最混乱的。不，爱因斯坦是错的；我们甚至不提前15分钟计划，没有计划，我们永远只会盲目前进。只有事故才能阻止我们，那会儿我们大概已经死了。

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When ever I see somepeople relentlessly supporting Ra Ga for the PM post, I profoundly think Greatscientist Einstein is right in his opinion .

每当我看到有人坚持不懈地支持拉胡尔·甘地当选总理时，我深刻地认识到伟大的科学家爱因斯坦的观点是无比正确的。

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It kind of makes sense. Ifthat was not the case, we would not have allowed a single family to rule thecountry for so long in spite of being a democracy. Just gave 5 years to aperson outside the system but no one is liking it and want to return back tofamily rule.

有一定道理。如果不是这样，我们就不会允许一个家庭（译者：指甘地家族）统治这个国家这么长时间，尽管它是一个敏煮国家。我们只给了一个家族外的人（译者：指莫迪）5年，但没有人喜欢它，想要回到家族统治。

（译者：雨天不打伞）