印度：日本反应过度，但可以理解 [印度媒体]

Japan’s response excessive, but understandable

日本反应过度，但可以理解



The response from some Japanese investors, saying that they wanted to relocate their factories and reconsider their investment plans in Indonesia after being turned down for the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway project was too excessive, a lawmaker says.

在印度尼西亚拒绝了日本关于Jakarta-Bandung高速铁路的提案之后，一些日本投资商反应说他们想要将他们的工厂迁址，还要重新考虑他们在印度尼西亚的投资，一位律师说这是反应过度了。

“[Japan’s response] is excessive. However, it is our fault to pick the unproven China’s train technology. We need to approach Japan again. The country is Indonesia’s strategic partner in the last five decades,” Chairman of the House of Representatives’ Commission VI overseeing investment Hafiz Tohir said as quoted by Kompas.com.

“[日本的反应]是过度了。不过，选择了还未经证实的中国铁路技术，的确是我们的错。我们需要重新再走近日本。毕竟该国是印度尼西亚过去五年来的战略合作伙伴，”Kompas.com引用监督投资的众议院第六委员会主席Hafiz Tohir的话说道。

He added that the government needed to introduce a new approach to ease the tension, since Japan was one of the Indonesia’s main trading partners.

他还补充说政府需要引进新的措施来缓和紧张局势，因为毕竟日本曾是印度尼西亚的主要贸易伙伴之一。

Investment Coordinating Board (BKPM) data showed that Japan’s total investment realization of US$1.6 billion was ranked third as of the first semester this year. The amount represents 11.3 percent of Indonesia’s total investment realization.

根据投资协调委员会(BKPM)的数据显示,日本高达16亿美元的总投资实践计划，在今年上半年排名第三。该投资总量占印尼总投资实践计划的11.3%。

BKPM’s deputy head for investment implementation control Azhar Lubis called on Japan to think positively because the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway was only one of many projects that Indonesia was offering.

负责控制投资实施的BKPM副主管Azhar Lubis呼吁日本要想开点,因为Jakarta-Bandung高速铁路只是印尼提供的许多项目之一。

As reported previously, some Japanese investors planned to reconsider all of their business relations with Indonesia, especially in land, infrastructure and transportation projects, citing their disappointment over the high-speed railway project.

正如先前所报道的,一些日本投资者打算要重新考虑他们与印尼之间所有的业务关系,尤其是在土地、基础设施和交通运输项目上的业务关系,以此表达他们对高速铁路项目的失望。

However, Azhar said that as of Wednesday, not a single Japanese investment plan had been withdrawn from Indonesia. “It is not that easy to revoke an investment. Once they build a plant, it is impossible to annul it,” Azhar said.

然而,据Azhar表示,截至周三,日本仍未从印度尼西亚撤销任何投资计划。“撤销投资并不是意见那么容易的事。他们一旦建立了工厂,再要取消就不太可能了,”Azhar说。

A public policy observer Agus Pambagio said Japan’s displeasure was a logical consequence of the incomprehensive policy. According to him, State Owned Enterprises Minister Rini Soewandi is who should take responsibility for all of the backlash.

据公共政策观察者Agus Pambagio表示,日本的不满是针对范围狭小的政策所出现的一个合乎逻辑的结果。根据他的说法,国有企业部长Rini Soewandi才是应该为这些反冲问题负责的人。

"It is the minister’s [responsibility]. This high speed-train project is quite odd, and fishy. It’s understandable [for Japan to be upset] and it’s a signal that [President] Jokowi should observe the geopolitical map. We cannot just decide [a policy] without thinking," he said.

“这是部长的[责任]。这次的高铁项目相当怪异,和可疑。[日本为此感到心烦]是可以理解的,这也发出了一个信号,要求[总统]Jokowi应该要遵守的地缘政治规则。我们不能不假思索地就决定[政策],”他说道。

Commenting on the debate, Minister Rini highlighted that Indonesia was not willing to give government guarantees for the project, as Japan had requested. On the other hand, China did not request government guarantees in their proposal.

在该辩论会上做出评论的部长Rini强调说,印尼不愿意应日本要求，为该项目提供政府担保。而另一方面,中国的提案中却并没有要求政府提供担保。

“We’re still finalizing a discussion with China’s government on the project. We have decided that none of the state budget will be involved in the project, thus we’re negotiating to create a joint venture company with China,” Rini said.

“我们仍在与中国政府就这个项目做最后的敲定讨论。我们已经决定,这个项目中不会涉及到任何的国家预算,因此我们正与中国谈判建立一个合资公司,” Rini说道。



No offence 3 days ago
Stupid move by the Indonesian government. How the Netherlands and Belgium got it all wrong with choosing a cheap high-speed train from Italy over the proven French TGV may serve as a warning to Indonesia.

印尼政府真是做了个愚蠢的举动。在久经考验了的法国TGV高速列车项目上，荷兰和比利时都曾错误地选择了廉价的意大利高速列车，这应该可以作为对印尼的一个警告。

Orang biasa 3 days ago
Both Japan and Indonesia has a lot to learn about free trade. There has been far too much playing around in the back from the beginning of this project. As all "ppp" projects, neither Indonesia nor Japan really grasp the concept. Neither Japan nor Indonesia will stop doing business due to this. It's just a part of the game....

日本和印度尼西亚在自由贸易方面都还有很多要学的。从这个项目的一开始，这背后就已经有了太多的弯弯绕绕了。关于所有的“点对点”项目,不管是印尼还是日本都还没有真正掌握这个概念。正因为此，不管是日本还是印尼都不会停止贸易。这只是游戏的一部分....

chiko zu 3 days ago
the academy taught you well indeed.

学校的确把你教得不错。

lisebuckeridge 3 days ago
Sorry, again I have no idea why you would consider Japan a low value trade partner. And the idea that Indonesia would surpass Japan economically in some near future sounds like fairy dust to me!!!! I think if you want to avoid coolie status I suggest beware of Russia.

抱歉,我还是不明白你为什么会认为日本是低价值的贸易伙伴。还有那个印度尼西亚将在近期在经济上超过日本的观点，对我来说这听起来简直就像是仙女尘埃! ! ! !我觉得,如果你想要避免沦为做苦力的话，那我建议要警惕俄罗斯。

lisebuckeridge 3 days ago
And be careful with China too.

还有也要小心中国。

lisebuckeridge 3 days ago
With less than 10% of your population currently university educated it is hard to imagine in the short to medium term where you think your economic growth will come from?

目前受过大学教育的只有不到10%的人口，很难想象在短期或中期时间内,你认为你的经济增长将会从何而来?

Glassfool 5 hours ago
The near future for a country can be 30 years or 50 years, Lise. I mean the total GDP of Indonesia, not mean GDP per capita.

Lise.，对于一个国家而言，不久的将来可以是30年或50年,我说的是印尼的GDP总量,而不是人均国内生产总值。

Kampungblack 3 days ago
Parody.... lise sometimes you take things too literally

仿效一下……lise 你看东西有时候看得太字面了

Eka Utari 3 days ago
Japan's response should not be excessive. Actually it is Japan who turned town or refused our preconditions and proposals, not our indonesian refused Japanese.

日本的反应不应算作过度。实际上，是日本拒绝了我们的条件和提案,而不是我们印尼拒绝了日本。

Japan rocks 3 days ago
Japan rocks is a troll.
All heil satan.

Japan rocks是个喷子。
撒旦万岁。

Hannah Montana 4 days ago
This fake-Muslim troll "Japan rocks" (aka Prince of Persia, Persian Emperor, Uchiha etc) should think about changing his name now, considering Japan has been "violently" rocked now by Indonesia....huahahahaha
Most importantly, til now he hasn't shown a bit of demonstration of intelligence. Perhaps it's time to consume more omega3, Persian troll, and try growing that brain of yours !!

这位假穆斯林喷子“Japan rocks”(又名 Prince of Persia, Persian Emperor, Uchiha等等)，现在应该要考虑换名字了，毕竟考虑到日本已经被印度尼西亚给“强烈地”震撼到了……哈哈哈哈哈
最重要的是,直到现在他还没有展示出任何证明。也许该是时候多吃点omega3了,Persian 喷子,还有试着让你的大脑成长起来吧! !

Mounte_Cristo 4 days ago
Relax Japaneses,, there are many infrastructure projects in Indonesia that you can involve in business partnership, no need "merajuk".
one of reasons why indo govt choose china because your contract stated needs government as guarantor, while indo government doesn't want it, instead they let BUMN to handle this business project (B to B)

放松点日本,印尼还有很多基础设施项目,这些你都可以以业务伙伴的关系参与进来,没有必要“发牢骚”。
印尼政府选择中国的原因之一,是因为你们的合同中规定，需要政府作为担保人,而印尼政府不想提供政府担保,于是取而代之的,他们就让BUMN来处理这个业务项目

yaudah 4 days ago
makes sense, the local government does not want to guarantee anything for it knows that they will in any case screw it up again.

有道理,当地政府不会愿意在知道可能会再一次搞砸了的情况下，提供任何保证。

Eka Utari 3 days ago
Quite agree with you. Actually it is Japan turned down or refused our preconditions and proposals, not our indonesian refused Japanese.

非常同意你的看法。实际上，是日本拒绝了我们的条件和提案,而不是我们印尼拒绝了日本。

Sorong 2 days ago
Aha, there is Eka again, who, for a reason she refused to reveal so far, has presented herself consistently as a dedicated member of the 'Chinese train fan club'

啊哈,又是Eka,到目前为止,出于某些原因，Eka拒绝透露自己一直都是“中国火车粉丝俱乐部”的专用成员

WNI333 4 days ago
Japan is not the "biggest investor into indo" .

日本不是“印尼的最大投资商”

Kampungblack 4 days ago
Yes it is

不，日本就是

Kampungblack 4 days ago
Let me qualify... if you are talking new fdi which is the metric then actually japan is third taking the last 3 yrs as averages. HOWEVER what you should include is existing Japanese investment and then you will see 2 nations stand way above everyone else. Japan is the no 1

让我来做个证明…如果你说的是新的外国直接投资指标,那么实际上就过去三年的平均投资而言，日本是排在第三位的。但是，你还应该将现有的日本投资包括在内,然后你就会看到有两国的投资远高于其他国家。而日本是第一名

Glassfool 3 days ago
If so, Indonesia should attract more investment from other countries, especially new emerging countries, like China, India, S Africa, Russia and Brazil.

If one country dominates your market or investment, it'll be too risky.

如果是这样的话,那么印尼更应该多多引进其他国家的投资,尤其是新兴国家的,比如中国、印度、非洲、俄罗斯和巴西。
如果一个国家主宰了你们国家的市场或者投资,那这风险就太大了。

lisebuckeridge 3 days ago
Emerging countries?! India, Brazil, China?

新兴国家？！印度、巴西、中国？

Glassfool 5 hours ago
Yes...However, currently, almost all countries are suffering from economic downturn, hehe

说的没错……但是，当下而言，几乎所有的国家都处于经济低迷时期，呵呵

Kampungblack 3 days ago
Good luck with that

祝你好运

ming_tbh 4 days ago
Somebody has just been trying to get more bargain from Japan really.

有些人只是试图想要从日本获得更多的优惠。

Green Genesis 4 days ago
Its not simply an economic issue with Japan but also their dignity. Indonesia failed to consider "the beef" between China and Japan !.... If it is with other European country Japan reaction surely will different...

这并不仅仅只是与日本之间的经济问题,而且事关他们的尊严。印尼没有考虑到中国和日本之间的“宿怨”! ....如果是与其他欧洲国家之间的合作，那么日本的反应肯定会大不相同……