中国：民主就是个笑话，看看川普就知道了 [英国媒体]

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When it happens elsewhere – and particularly when it underscores the perils and pitfalls of democracy – it becomes front-page news.

 

 当世界其他地方发生动乱——特别是凸显了民主的风险和弊端的动乱时，就会成为中国媒体的头条新闻。
Such is the case of Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, who, for China’s authoritarian rulers, has become the latest example of how allowing the masses a say in choosing their leaders is a bad idea.

共和党领先的总统总统候选人唐纳德特朗普就是这样一个例子，对于中国的统治者来讲，川普已经变成了最新的用来证明由大众选择领导者是一个多么糟糕的主意的例子。

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“The rise of a racist in the US political area worries the whole world,” the party-controlled Global Times crowed this week ahead of of Trump’s victory in the latest round of primaries. “He has even been called another Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler by some western media.”

“美国政治领域的一个种族主义者的崛起让整个世界都为之忧心，”TG所掌控的环球时报本周在特朗普初选最新一轮胜利前欢呼道。"有一些西方媒体甚至称呼特朗普为另一个贝尼托墨索里尼或者阿道夫希特勒。“

It added, darkly: “Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, a heavy lesson for western democracy.”

环球时报腹黑的附议说：”西方民主有很沉重的一课那就是墨索里尼和希特勒都曾是通过选举上台执政的。“

Trump, or “Chuanpu” as they call him in China, has been a gift to Communist party spin doctors paid to convince the country’s 1.4 billion citizens that rule of the people is a sure path to chaos and destruction.

 特朗普或者他们在中国称呼他为”川普“对中国所收买的媒体顾问来说是份礼物，可以用来说服14亿中国人民，即西方民主肯定是条通向混乱和毁灭的道路。


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ds9074 17 Mar 2016 09:48
Mussolini and Hitler came to power via elections - and then got rid of elections.

墨索里尼和希特勒是通过选举获得权力的，但他们之后废除了选举。

Mao and Stalin didn't come to power via elections.

 毛泽东和斯大林并不是通过选举获得权力的。

It's not elections which cause mass deaths, destruction and war.

 所以并不是选举导致了人民的死亡、毁灭和战争。

ecologic 17 Mar 2016 09:47
This is rich coming from a country that massacred its own people in living memory and was run by a mad man who responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people.

这种对民主的评论来自一个曾经大残杀自己人民的国家，来自一个曾杀过数千万人的疯子所掌控的国家。

Howling 17 Mar 2016 09:46
It's difficult to disagree with a single word they're saying

这简直就是不刊之论，正确到没有任何一个词可以反驳。 

trevorgleet 17 Mar 2016 09:46
...perfect ammunition for the rulers of one-party China to argue that democracy was bad not just for it but for the world. “It produces buffoons. It’s carnivalesque. It is decadent,” Bisley says.

 真是一党执政的中国统治者用来论证民主不仅对中国不好对世界也不好的完美武器。比斯利说：“它（指民主）制造跳梁小丑。它纸醉金迷。它腐朽颓唐。”

Reagan. Bush. Bush. Trump? They have a point.

看看它选出里谁，里根、老布什、小布什、川普？他们确实说到点子上了。

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devdor 17 Mar 2016 09:46
I am not sure that is exactly what the Chinese government said.

 我不确定中国政府是否就是这样说的。

Totally ignoring Chinese sentiment on the concept of voting in a government, I have been thinking for awhile now that we are more focused on democracy than on freedom and in fact tend to use the words interchangeably.

 在这里我并不打算讨论中国人对于选举这个概念的情绪。对于民主和自由这个问题我也思考一段时间了，现在，相较于自由，我们更重视民主，甚至事实上，我们倾向于将这两个词语混用。

You can have democracy but not freedom. Should Corbyn or Trump get elected, you will know what I mean.

 你可以拥有民主但无法拥有自由。如果科尔宾（英国反对党工党领袖，激进左翼）和川普当选的话，你就知道我说的是什么意思了。

The last 50 years have seen the shackles our forebears have put on government been eroded and finally broken to the situation we have now where government/politicians are able to interfere/shape our individual lives in a way that George III would never have considered.

 过去的五十年见证了先贤们放置在政府上的枷锁逐渐侵蚀，并最终破裂到我们现在的所处的境况。现在政府或者政客对于个人生活的干涉和影响已经到了即使乔治三世（过问国事干涉内阁）也难以想象的地步了。

Corporatism is now the bedfellow of big government, which is curtailing individual freedom and liberty more and more.

 经济法西斯主义与大政府如影相随，它们正愈来愈多得剥夺着个人的自由。

The freedom to succeed (and fail) on one's own merit is to me more important than democracy.

对于我来说，根据个人本身的优缺点而取得成功（和失败）的这种自由比民主更重要。

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Ziontrain 17 Mar 2016 09:45
Racism among the "foreign devils"? Dunno where to begin in this circle of irony...
 
一边痛骂种族主义，一边“洋鬼子”不离口。这是多么讽刺的一种循环，我不知从哪开始的。……
 
smed54235 17 Mar 2016 09:44
If Donald Trump is a joke, it's not a very funny one.
 
 如果川普是个玩笑，也不过是个烂笑话。
 
grimble22350  smed54235 17 Mar 2016 09:47
It's like the prospect of Britain electing Roy Chubby Brown as PM.
 
就好比英国人选肥鲁伊当总理一样。
 
PlanetNat 17 Mar 2016 09:44
We need to shift the conversation away from 'the problem with democracy' to 'the problem with corporations buying election campaigns'.

 我们应该把讨论的主题从“民主的问题”转向“利益集团购买选举活动的问题”。

The US is a failed democracy- the President of the States is a puppet for the corporates. Until the people reclaim the political process, we are going to see these idiots rise.

 美国是失败的民主，国家总统不过是利益集团的傀儡。除非人民改造政治进程，否则我们将会看到这种白痴层出不穷。

Besides, let's be honest, the US is a military state (which it has exported around the world) with it's people living under surveillance by the state.

 而且，老实说，美国是一个将本国人民至于监视之下的军事国家（它向世界出口战争）。

Land of the free? Only in the storybooks...

自由之国？只在故事书里吧。

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Craig Riley  PlanetNat 17 Mar 2016 09:47
I wouldn't say military state per se. More like an oligarchy which has an economic dependence on war and turmoil.
 
我觉得其本质上不是军事国家，更像是一个经济上依赖战争和动荡的寡头政体。
 
DannySutherland 17 Mar 2016 09:43
In the West we an get rid of our clowns. In China they are stuck with their (grimly unfunny) ones.
 
 在西方我们不喜欢可以再选一个出来，在中国他们只能默默忍受
 
FinMtl 17 Mar 2016 09:43
Regardless of who is president a China - U.S. showdown is on the cards in the next 30 years.
As the Chinese get richer and more powerful eventually they will make a move in the Pacific that will lead to a skirmish that might lead to war.
 
不管谁当总统，未来30年内中美将进行摊牌。随着中国变得更加富有和强大，中国将在太平洋展开行动，从而产生摩擦，最终可能引发战争。
 
Petepetepete 17 Mar 2016 09:43
Protectionism could be very interesting for the US. It's quite a difficult position for Clinton to argue against - not least because the return of American manufacturing will be largely automated and far more environmentally friendly. Trump gets to sound like he's pro-blue collar jobs when that's not what he's talking about at all.

贸易保护主义对美国来说是挺有意思的。希拉里很难反对这种主义——尤其是因为美国制造业的回归将大量使用到自动化生产，所以也更加的环保。川普让人觉得他好像是支持蓝领就业的，但其实并非如此。

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BetterandBetter 17 Mar 2016 09:42
He hasn't been elected yet.
 
 普朗特还没有当选的。
 
Metin sarıyar  BetterandBetter 17 Mar 2016 09:48
But almost half of U.S supports and this is important.
 
但关键的一点是，几乎过半数的美国人支持他。
 
ermagerd 16s ago
They have a point but their credibility is somewhat undermined on account of their country being an authoritarian sh*t-hole.
 
他们说的是有道理，但是作为一个独裁国家，他们的可信度受到了影响。

I know they're George Osborne's new bestest friends and Jeremy Hunt thinks we should be more like them but they can both f*ck off and we have that option to make them do that - because of democracy.

我知道，他们是乔治·奥斯本的新好朋友，杰里米亨特认为我们应该更多的效仿他们，但他们可以滚蛋，我们有这样权利让他们滚蛋- 通过民主的方式。

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sanogo 25s ago
Find it funny how we lampoon Trump in this country yet we have "Call Me Dave" and UNI BANTA LADBIBLE BORIS running around and people seem to be fine about this.
 
人们讽刺川普，但是我们却能容忍卡梅伦和鲍里斯。
 
GrumpyOldDog 40s ago
China's leaders are not the only ones wanting to laugh at the joke that it American democracy and the caliber of the super-rich conservative maniacs that seek to be the next POTUS. But what is happening now in America is no joke - it is a democratic disaster which, if not stopped in its tracks, will escalate into a global tragedy of hate, fear and conflict.
Whatever the deficiencies in the American democratic system, electing Trump will create far worse problems, both inside and outside the borders of the USA.
Just don't do it - elect Donald Duck or Goofy as POTUS, but not Donald Trump!

中国领导人不是唯一想看美国民主和（超级富有的保守派疯子）川普笑话的人。但是美国现在的情况就是个笑话——这是个民主灾难，如果不及时阻止，将演变成全球仇恨，恐惧和冲突的悲剧。
不论美国民主中存在着什么缺陷，川普当选将产生更为严重的问题，不管是在美国国内还是国外。
所以千万不要选川普，选唐老鸭和傻瓜都比选川普好。

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TristanR 2m ago
The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. The best argument against anything else is one look at China.
 
 和普通选民交谈5分钟，你便会反对民主。但只需看中国一眼，你便会反对民主之外的其他政治形式。
 
ClareLondon 2m ago
Horrible country speaks some truth for once.

 可怕的国度这一次说到事实上了。

Pretty much on the button with this one.

 这一次真得说到要害了。

Now all I've got to do is 'pray' (metaphorically speaking) that US undecided voters will listen and learn what the clown with a comb over would mean for the dignity of the USA in world affairs.

 现在我只好祈祷（一种比喻的说法）美国还在犹豫的选民能够充分梳理地了解到这个跳梁小丑对于美国在国际事务中的尊严意味着什么。

DT48  ClareLondon 17 Mar 2016 09:43
And vote for warmongering Hilary instead.
Hobson's Choice.

然后转而选希拉里这个战争贩子吗？
真是逼我们做这样的选择。

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grimble22350 DT48 17 Mar 2016 09:44
You are joking, right?

楼上你在开玩笑对不对？

Not being serious?

不是认真的吧？

Taking the piss???

或者你在逗我？

Hobson's Choice between Trump and Clinton???

床破和希拉里会很难选择吗？

Have you had your sanity checked recently?

你最近有检查下你理智的余额吗？

MattBucks ClareLondon 17 Mar 2016 09:45
The thing is they are going to be presented with a choice between Trump or Clinton, that's like having to choose between AIDS or cancer.

@ClareLondon 事实是，他们即将在床破或希拉里之间做出选择，这个选择就像是在选择得艾滋病还是得癌症。

nicktecky 3m ago
Am I the only one to spot the irony of a foreign corrrespondent posting a piece critical of Chinese free speech from Beijing?

一个外国记者却可以从北京发出一篇批判中国言论自由的报道，难道只有我一个人看出这当中的讽刺吗？

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coplani 3m ago
For lessons to be learned from history.....See Boris Yeltsin....

让我们借鉴下鲍里斯.叶利钦的历史吧
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin

Much of the Yeltsin era was marked by widespread corruption, and as a result of persistent low oil and commodity prices during the 1990s, Russia suffered inflation, economic collapse and enormous political and social problems that affected Russia and the other former states of the USSR.

叶利钦时代的显着特征就是大面积腐败，而且由于原油和大宗商品价格的持续低迷，俄罗斯经济崩溃，遭遇大规模通货膨胀，俄罗斯及其他前苏联加盟共和国均出现严重的政治和社会问题。

Will America go the same way, one wonders, when one sees some Presidential candidates....

当人们看到一个（类似叶利钦）的总统候选人时，自然而然会有类似的疑问：美国会走上（俄罗斯）的老路吗？