中国下水首艘国产航母 [英国媒体]

China launches its first home-built aircraft carrier

中国下水首艘国产航母



China has launched its first domestically built aircraft carrier, which will join an existing one bought secondhand from Ukraine, amid rising tensions over North Korea and worries about Beijing’s assertiveness in the South China Sea.

中国下水了首艘国产航母，再加上现有的购买自乌克兰的二手航母。此时正值朝鲜局势紧张以及北京在南海的过分自信引发担忧之际。

The 50,000-ton carrier was towed from its dockyard just after 9 am on Wednesday after a ceremony in the northern port city of Dalian, where its predecessor, the Soviet-built Liaoning, also underwent extensive refurbishing before being commissioned in 2012, the Ministry of National Defence said.

在北部大连港举行仪式后，这艘5万吨的航母在周三九点之后被拖出船厂，其前辈辽宁号2012年入役前也是在这里进行大修，国防部称。


BillnBen1
Britain has Jack shit mate, it's a little dot on the planet dreaming about 'empire'.
China is a big dynamic forward looking next to be superpower. Look out world ! 

英国什么都没有，这个地球上的小不点还幻想着成为帝国。
中国又大又有活力，致力于成为超级强国。世界注意了！

MadJackMacMadd
Like a submariner said: in a shooting war, there are two kinds of ships: submarines and targets 
I think Karl Donitz would disagree...he lost 75% of his personnel. 

就像一个潜水员所说的：在一场热战中，有两种舰艇：潜艇和目标艇。
我认为卡尔•邓尼茨（二战期间德国的着名将领）不会同意。。。他失去了75%的人员。

David Quoosp
Fascinating, ignore the other's comment then erect a straw man. Errr... your original claim is this, and I quote: UK, 6 major fatal accidents since 1970...China ...just one in ten years. But China has not had one in ten years, it has had (at least) nine fatal accidents in ten years. So how come I'm "ignoring your comment", and where is the strawman? And the fact the number of deaths... So now you're making a totally different claim. I can count 173 in the last 10 years from that list. UK has had 4 in the same period. Your original comment compared UK and China. Confucius say, when in hole stop digging. 

忽视另一个人的评论，然后树立一个假想敌，真厉害。你原先的说法是：自1970年以来英国发生了6起致命事故，中国十年来只有一起。但其实不止，十年来中国至少发生了9起致命事故。所以我哪里忽视你的评论了，以及哪里来的假想敌？以及这些死亡数据的事实。。。所以你作出了一个完全不一样的说法。从那个名单里我可以数出十年来发生的173个案例。而英国在同期只有4起。你原先的评论对比了英国和中国。孔子说在洞里的时候就不要再挖了。

scubadoc
... by the time of the war Japanese carrier aviation was light years ahead of British carrier aviation ... The aircraft were good, but light and, ultimately, unable to withstand brute American force delivered by bigger, tougher American aircraft. Some of the Japanese carriers were fairly rough and ready adaptations of hulls designed for other jobs. American carriers, even early ones like the Saratoga, were more sophisticated even when built on repurposed cruiser hulls rendered superfluous in naval treaties after Versailles. But all steel, British, Japanese, American, Chinese rusts eventually... 

战时，日本的舰载航空兵比英国的先进很多。他们的飞机很好，而且轻，但是最终敌不过更大更强悍的美国航母。一些日本航母其实是非常简陋的，由其他用途的船体改装而来。美国的航母甚至是早期的萨拉托加号都非常精良，即使其船体改装自《凡尔赛条约》签署后多余出来的巡洋舰船体。但都是钢铁制成的，所以不管是英国，日本，美国还是中国航母，最终都会生锈。

Naomi Thompson
Too good examples of my point -Huawei phones are very much downmarket (people who can't afford an iphone)and of course Lenovo is the the old IBM PC business they got shot off as being too low tech. China has acquired some good technology but there is a lack of trust in its brands due the lack of transparency and accountability. As example no western airlines will ever buy the new C919 jetliner on safety grounds despite being built with US/EU technology 

有两个例子可以说明我的观点：华为手机其实是面向低收入消费群体的（那些买不起苹果手机的人），而联想购买的IBM老旧的PC业务，技术含量太低才被卖给联想。中国确实获得了一些好技术，但是由于缺乏透明度和责任制，人们对中国品牌还不信任。举例来说，西方航空公司出于安全考虑不会购买新的C919客机的，尽管使用的是欧美的技术。

offshoretomorrow
It hasn't taken since 2003 to build. That period includes design. The Chinese ship is a copy of an old design. 

并不是从2003年开始建的。那个时间包括了设计。这艘中国航母就是抄袭老旧设计。

radical
I've wargamed the Pacific War and used every option and the US always wins. 

我玩了《太平洋战争》游戏，每个选项我都试过了，美国总是赢。

LPF CFC
Christ man HMS Warspite survived WW2 she's famous for surviving both world wars. It was Prince of Wales and the Repulse , that were sunk by the Japanese. 

天啊，厌战号战列舰没有在二战中被击沉，两次世界大战都没被击沉。被日本人击沉的是威尔士亲王号和击退号。

jgbg
They call this.... the taiwan taker. Taiwan is within reach of China's land based aircraft - they don't need aircraft carriers for this. Aircraft carriers are typically used to project military force well beyond a country's borders and aren't really necessary for local conflicts. When the Chinese positioned their first aircraft carrier off Libya in 2011, it was the first time ever that a Chinese military vessel had entered the Mediterranean. 

他们称这个为台湾占领号。台湾在中国路基战机的射程内，无需动用航母。航母一般是用来在海外投放兵力的，地区冲突中未必使用到。2011年当中国将自己的首艘航母停靠在利比亚海岸时，那是中国军舰首次进入地中海。

fubar1
Vanity project, in reality aircraft carriers are to vunerable to attack and their primary purpose is force projection not defence. 

形象工程，实际上航母是非常容易遭到攻击的，其主要目的是力量投放而非防卫。

radical
The submarines certainly played a major role, but the clincher was the loss of four aircraft carriers at Midway, all sunk by dive bombers, an aircraft rejected by the RAF. The same RAF that failed to sink a single, German, Italian or Japanese capital ship whilst under commission, failing totally in the Channel dash, its one boast sinking the inactive Tirpitz a ship whose back had been broken by the X-Craft and even then took four attempts. 

潜艇确实扮演了主要的角色，但事实是中途岛战役中的四艘航母都是被俯冲轰炸机击沉的，英国皇家空军拒绝了这款飞机。英国皇家空军也没能击沉一艘德国，意大利或者日本的主力舰，在英吉利海峡战役中完全失败，不过却吹嘘自己击沉了提尔皮茨号，而这艘战舰的背部早已被X-Craft潜艇炸毁，即使如此，英国空军发动了四次攻击才将其击沉。

Sal2011
China is not going to get into a direct military war with the US. Doesn't even have an appetite for proxy wars, unlike Russia. So with limited economic resources, the US should consider how it is doing in economic competition vs China compared to racking up respective military assets. The suggestion is that it's losing ground in economic strength while it doesn't have to worry about the military gap. 

中国不会与美国发生直接军事冲突。甚至不想参与代理人战争，不像俄罗斯。所以在有限的经济资源下，美国应该想着怎么和中国进行经济竞争，而不是和中国进行军备竞赛。美国虽然在经济优势上节节败退，但是美国没必要担忧军事差距。