日本同意对美军提高东道国开支 [日本媒体]

Japan agrees to raise host-nation spending for U.S. military

日本同意对美军提高东道国开支



【日期】2015年12月17日

TOKYO — Japan will boost its spending for U.S. forces stationed there by 1.4% for the next five years, the Japanese government said on Wednesday, supporting the U.S. military’s Asian presence in the face of a rising China.

东京——日本将在今后五年内对美国军队的驻扎开支增加1.4%,日本政府周三表示,支持美军在面对中国崛起的亚洲事务。

Japan’s contribution to cover such expenses as salaries for workers at U.S. bases and utilities is set at 189.3 billion yen ($1.56 billion) per year on average for the five-year period starting next April.

日本的支付款包括支付工人的工资等费用，从明年4月开始，在五年内美军基地和公用事业的费用是设定在平均每年1893亿日圆(15.6亿美元)。

That is up from actual averaged annual spending of 186.6 billion yen over the past five years. The planned outlay is subject to fluctuations in labor costs.

在过去五年里，每年实际花费1866亿日圆。计划中的支出受制于劳动力成本的波动。

The decision comes after the United States asked for an increase in the spending as it proceeds with its rebalancing to Asia, aimed at countering China’s growing economic and military might.

在这个决定之前,美国要求增加支出,用于平衡亚洲,旨在应对中国日益增长的经济和军事实力。

Japan had initially sought to cut its contribution in a bid to rein in massive public debt

日本最初试图削减其费用,以控制庞大的公共债务。

Under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Japan has moved to boost security ties with the United States.

在日本首相安倍晋三(Shinzo Abe)的努力下, 日本已经促进与美国的安全关系。

Japan’s relations with China are clouded by a territorial dispute over a group of tiny East China Sea islets and the legacy of Japan’s wartime aggression.

日本与中国的关系因为一组东海小岛的领土争端和日本战时侵略行为蒙上阴影。

Japan revised defense cooperation guidelines with the United States in April to take on a larger security role, and in September passed legislation enabling the Japanese military to defend the United States or any other ally under attack. 

日本修订准则与美国的国防合作承担更大的安全角色,4月和9月通过立法使日本军队来保卫美国或任何其他盟友受到攻击。


AsianGaijinYesWeExistDEC. 17, 2015 - 07:39AM JST
Here's a thought: Make friends with your neighbors. That way, the Yanks can pack up and go home. Then take care of your own security with a much smaller and less expensive military.

有一个办法:和你的邻居交朋友。这样,扬基佬可以打包回家了。在自己的安全和军事上就能减少费用了。

japan4lifeDEC. 17, 2015 - 07:52AM JST
If the U.S. is supposedly going to reduce the number of troops and dependents on Okinawa and close some facilities then why do they need Japan to increase host nation spending to support fewer troops and less facilities. I wish that every Japanese Taxpayer could come to Okinawa and go inside these bases and see what their tax money has been spent on. I think they would be surprised at the facilities that have been built in the name of defense for Japan but have very little to do with defense. Japan has built thousands of Central Air Conditioned Housing Units for the U.S. Military, they have built better Dependent Schools for Military Children than they have for Japanese Children, they have built golf courses and then the U.S. Military turns around and violates the SOFA Agreement by allowing Japanese Nationals to play on base golf courses and charge them a lot more money than they do SOFA Status Personnel, they have built Military Cubs that the Military run as businesses and generate revenue and allow Japanese Nations to eat, drink and play the U.S. style slot machines that are not legal locally and the Japanese Taxpayers pay the wages for the Japanese Employees and part of the Utility Bills. The main reason the U.S. does not want to leave Okinawa is because this is the last overseas location where thy can do whatever they want and they have a Host Govt. that will give them whatever they want. And for all you people who are always saying that Japan could ask the U.S. Military to leave at any time if they don`t want them here, do you really think the J-Govt. would be able to tell the U.S. to leave when they are not even able to negotiate a decrease in Host Nation Support even when it is justified.

如果美国能减少在冲绳的军队和家属并关闭一些设施，那么为什么他们需要日本增加东道国支出来维持较少的军队和设施。我希望每个日本冲绳纳税人能进入这些基地,看看他们的纳税人的钱花在什么地方。我认为他们会惊讶地发现建在日本的防御设施却很少用于防御。日本建立了数以千计的美军中央空调房,他们建立了比他们对日本儿童更好的军队儿童依赖的学校（这句话翻译的很别扭，大意应该是驻日美军享受的待遇比日本儿童还好，总之是讽刺就对了）,他们建立了高尔夫球场,然后美国军方转过头来就违反了沙发协议（沙发协定是个什么玩意？有谁知道吗？），允许日本国民在基地高尔夫球场玩，收取更多的钱。比他们做的沙发地位的人员（谁知道SOFA Status Personnel的正确翻译？）,他们建立了军事俱乐部,军方作为企业经营和产生收入,允许日本国民吃,喝,玩不符合当地法律的美国风格老虎机，而日本纳税人要支付日本员工的工资, 一部分水电费。,美国不想离开冲绳的主要原因是因为这是海外最后一个你想干什么就干什么的地方，而政府给予他们一切想要的。然后和你们所有人说是日本要求美国的。如果不想让他们在这里，美国军队随时都能离开。你真的认为J-Govt（这个词不知道什么意思）能告诉美国不能协商减少东道国维持费时就撤离，即使它是有道理的。
(这段话翻译得不好，不过大致意思还是对的，希望更好的翻译)

SensatoDEC. 17, 2015 - 08:06AM JST
It has been 70 years since WWII. Although I tend to flip-flop on this issue, I think it is time for the U.S. military to close up shop in Japan, for the good of the U.S. and the good of Japan.
The U.S. would be better off if it did, the U.S. taxpayer would be better off, our service members would be better off, and even more, Japan would be better off.
Having the U.S. military in Japan creates a moral hazard with respect to the Japanese government in that it allows hawkish politicians to take irresponsible risks that harm relations with its neighbors. Also, Japan now faces the risk of suddenly finding itself in a much less favorable position if presidential elections result in a government that is less accommodating of Japan. Over-reliance on a foreign government never ends well.

二战已经结束70年了。尽管我在这个问题上倾向于触发器（flip-flop有触发器的意思，不过应该有引申意思）,我认为是时候让美国军方关闭了在日本的工厂,这是为了美国和日本的好。
美国如果做的更好,美国纳税人会更好,我们的服务人员会更好,甚至更多,日本会更好。
美军在日本对日本政府创建一个道德风险,因为它允许鹰派政客不负责任地损害与邻国的关系。同时,日本现在面临的风险同时突然发现自己在一个更有利的位置。如果总统选举导致日本政府不太适应。过度依赖外国政府永远不会结束。

Alex80DEC. 17, 2015 - 08:35AM JST
Such a waste of money! Poor Japanese people.

这样浪费金钱!可怜的日本人。

BertieWoosterDEC. 17, 2015 - 09:02AM JST
AsianGaijinYesWeExist,
You put it so beautifully, I wanted to repeat what you wrote:
Here's a thought: Make friends with your neighbors. That way, the Yanks can pack up and go home. Then take care of your own security with a much smaller and less expensive military.
That would be the rational, logical way to conduct affairs. The US doesn't do it that way. And with weeds like Abe at the helm, Japan does what the US wants,

你写的如此美丽,我想重复你写道:
有一个办法:和你的邻居交朋友。这样,扬基佬可以打包回家了。在自己的安全和军事上就能减少费用了。
这将是理性的,逻辑的方式进行。我们不会这样做。和像安倍那样的杂草掌舵,美国希望什么日本就做什么

Wc626DEC. 17, 2015 - 09:52AM JST
Here's a thought: Make friends with your neighbors.
Thats all fine and dandy but reality is we know this will never happen. The chinese and koreans will always have some sort of resentment towards japan and vise versa.
I think they would be surprised at the facilities that have been built in the name of defense for Japan but have very little to do with defense
The quality of life is important to (United States Armed Forces Japan) USAFJ's morale and well being. They'll be the ones catching the 1st bullets, not them boy scout SDF.
Japan has built thousands of Central Air Conditioned Housing Units for the U.S. Military
We (Americans) despise those "kerosene" heaters. And AC is vital during the hot & humid summer months.
Over-reliance on a foreign government never ends well.
This is why I support the enacted "security laws." It's a step in the right direction for Japan. Change article #9 too. Funny how all those pacifist and protesters against the security laws are the probably the same "tax payers" who would want the USAFJ to go home. . . . and when they leave- I'm gone too.

这里有一个想法:和你的邻居交朋友。
这很好,但现实是我们知道这将永远不会发生。中国人和韩国人总有某种怨恨对日本，反之亦然。
我认为他们会惊讶地发现建在日本的防御设施却很少用于防御。 
生活质量是很重要的(驻日美军)USAFJ的士气和福祉。他们会面对第一颗子弹,不是童子军自卫队。
日本建立了数以千计的美军中央空调房
我们(美国人)鄙视那些“煤油”加热器。而AC在炎热和潮湿的夏季是至关重要的。
过度依赖外国政府永远不会结束。
这就是为什么我支持制定“安全法律。“这是一个正确方向的一步。改变第 9条。有趣的是那些和平主义者和抗议者与安全法律可能相同的“纳税人”希望USAFJ回家。当他们离开,我走了。（这句不太通顺，大致是认为抗议民众无理取闹）

F4HA604DEC. 17, 2015 - 11:06AM JST
@ Bertue Japan will do what the US wants regardless who is at the helm.
@ Asian Gaijin Its hard to imagine that US forces are stationed in Japanese bases strictly for the sake of being hired muscle to protect against what Japan perceives to be threats to their country.
@Wc626 Actually the pact is such that 1st bullet will definitely be taken by SDF, which then opens the door for USAFJ to strike back. But having said that Japan is obligated to pay for upholding comfortable living standards for their overlord's minions.

@ Bertue无论谁掌舵，日本都将做美国希望做的事。
@亚洲外人难以想象,美国部队驻扎在日本基地的目的是充当严厉的打手，防止日本受到威胁。（应该是这个意思）
@Wc626实际上协议是第一颗子弹打向自卫队,然后打开门让USAFJ（就是驻日美军）反击。但是有说日本是有义务支付维护舒适的生活标准作为霸王的仆从。

tinawatanabeDEC. 17, 2015 - 11:12AM JST
This will increase anti-USA sentiment.

这将增加反美情绪。

Citizen2012DEC. 17, 2015 - 11:32AM JST
More money taxed for building up armies and less for the people to live, make sense...not.

为建立军队征税更多的钱,更少的人住,有意义…不。

TriumvereDEC. 17, 2015 - 11:40AM JST
Here's a thought: Make friends with your neighbors. That way, the Yanks can pack up and go home. Then take care of your own security with a much smaller and less expensive military.
I don't think you get it. Abe doesn't want "the Yanks" to go home. (You may want it, but Abe doesn't). Abe doesn't want a smaller military. In fact Abe wants a bigger Japanese military AND continued US military support. Abe is literally spending more money for the express purpose of keeping the US military here. As for "just make friends with your neighbors" - good luck with that.

有一个办法:和你的邻居交朋友。这样,扬基佬可以打包回家了。在自己的安全和军事上就能减少费用了。
我不认为你可以这样做。安倍不希望“美国佬”回家。(你可以,但安倍不)。安倍不希望一个更小的军队。事实上安想要一个更大的日本军队,继续我们的军事支持。安倍是花更多的钱,目的是为了保持美国军队。至于“只是和你的邻居交朋友”——祝你好运。

cleoDEC. 17, 2015 - 11:56AM JST
So.. we need to increase the consumption tax to cover welfare costs (but it's not enough, so some welfare will be cut regardless)... but we have plenty of money to give increasing amounts to the US military, with enough left over to squander on overpriced sports stadiums and 'research' whale slaughter? And we're ready to put domestic self-defence personnel in harm's way overseas to protect US interests?
This will increase anti-USA sentiment.
Hopefully it will increase anti-Abe sentiment and the slug gets thrown out on his ear at the next election.

所以. .我们需要增加消费税来支付福利费用(但是是不够的,所以一些福利将减少)……但是我们有足够的钱给美国军方越来越多,有足够的剩余挥霍在高价体育场和“研究”屠杀鲸鱼吗?我们准备把国内自卫人员以有害的方式在海外来保护美国的利益?
这将增加反美情绪。
希望这将增加反美情绪，在下一次选举slug会扔掉他的耳朵。（slug是谁？）

SensatoDEC. 17, 2015 - 12:10PM JST
Abe doesn't want "the Yanks" to go home. (You may want it, but Abe doesn't). Abe doesn't want a smaller military. In fact Abe wants a bigger Japanese military AND continued US military support.
@Triumvere
Everything you say is spot on, and it is hard to imagine that there is anyone who would disagree (if anybody does disagree, I would certainly like to hear your rationale).
What's more, this is partially where the moral hazard lies — Machiavellianism. There is far too much incentive NOT to be "friends with neighbors." The Japanese government's aims to keep U.S. forces here provides them with ample incentive for Abe to blatantly do and say things that keep tensions in the region high, rather than trying to mend fences.
Likewise, the leaders of China and South Korea also have plenty of incentive to fuel animosity against Japan because it helps them stay in power by diverting attention away from problems at home toward an external enemy. Trilateral tensions benefit rulers of all three countries, but are detrimental to the citizens of those nations.

安倍不希望“美国佬”回家。(你可以,但安倍不)。安倍不希望一个更小的军队。事实上安想要一个更大的日本军队,继续我们的军事支持。
@Triumvere
你说的一切都是现货,很难想象有谁会反对(如果有人不同意,我肯定会喜欢听你的理由)。
更重要的是,这是部分道德风险所在——马基雅维里主义。有太多的激励不是“朋友和邻居。“日本政府的目标是保持美国军队在这里为他们提供了充足的动力，公然做一些事情,使该地区的局势紧张,而不是试图修补关系。
同样,中国和韩国的领导人也有足够的理由煽动对日本仇恨,因为它帮助他们的人民转移注意力从国内问题到一个外部的敌人。三方利益使这三个国家关系紧张,但不利于这些国家的公民。