美国科技公司绕过五角大楼以保护中国协议 [英国媒体]

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Silicon Valley companies are shying away from selling cyberwarfare services to the Pentagon to avoid jeopardising their relationship with the Chinese market, a leading geopolitical strategist has suggested.

一着名的地缘战略家指出硅谷公司避免将网络战服务卖给五角大楼，以防与中国市场的关系受到影响。

Peter Singer, an author and senior fellow at the New America Foundation thinktank, said the United States and China are engaged in a new cold war – being fought partly in cyberspace – that “could turn hot”.

身兼美国智库新美国基金会资深会员的作家彼得·辛格说，美国和中国已展开新冷战—部份战斗发生在网络空间—且将"趋于白热化"。

Known tactics in this new cold war include Chinese cyber-spies stealing secrets relating to the US military’s F-35 stealth jet to build a clone warplane.

在新冷战中，已知的战术：中国网络间谍窃取美军关于隐形喷射机F-35的机密来复制该机型。

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Meanwhile, China has complained that the US takes advantage of its power to “unscrupulously monitor other countries” under the pretense of fighting terrorism.

但与此同时，中国也抱怨美国利用其优势，以打击恐布主义为幌子"肆无忌惮地监视其他国家"。

China’s hi-tech military capabilities – including the world’s fastest supercomputer, a soon-to-launch “unhackable” quantum communications satellite, a hypersonic weapons programme and armed ground robotics – have left the United States trying to play catch-up, Singer explained during a talk at the RSA security conference in San Francisco.

辛格在旧金山举行的RSA安全会议的发言中分析说，中国的高科技军事能力—包括世界上最快的超级电脑、即将推出的"牢不可破"的量子通信卫星、超音速武器计划和地面武装机器人—已经让美国处于追赶的处境。

“In the past the government led the way with innovation and industry followed,” said Singer, citing the Arpanet, a precursor to the internet, as an example.

"过去政府以创新领导产业，"辛格说，并援引互联网的先驱美国高等研究计划署网络作为范例。

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“Now it’s the private sector – as seen in the debate over encryption. This is changing the way that government leaders talk – the tone alternates between asking for help and threatening.”

现在是私营部门领导产业——正如加密辩论中所见。这改变了政府领导人的说话方式——在寻求帮助和发出威胁之间轮流替换。

In order to modernise national security operations, the US Department of Defense has been trying to woo Silicon Valley, with the Pentagon setting aside $18bn to invest in next-generation technologies including guided munitions, electronic warfare and robotics.

为了将国家的安全措施现代化，美国国防部试图拉拢硅谷，由五角大楼拨出180亿经费投入到下一代技术的开发，包括制导弹药、电子战和机器人。

“The Secretary of Defence [Ash] Carter has come to Silicon Valley more times than he’s gone to war zones like Iraq and Afghanistan,” Singer said.

"国防部部长[阿什顿]卡特来硅谷的次数比去伊拉克和阿富汗战区更频繁，"辛格说。


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You're totally brainwashed or ignorant stating creativity comes only from democracies. Throughout humanity's history, most important innovations were not achieved by democracies. So go get yourself learning. 

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如果你觉得创新只能从民主中来的话，那说明你完全被洗脑了，或者只能证明你的无知。纵观人类历史，重大发明并不是通过民主取得的。你还是去多学一点吧。

glioma90
And the fact that the Chinese can hack into top US military secrets, get the design blue-prints and reverse-engineer the hardware and softwares, says more about Chinese capability and the wider strategic implications than the end product itself. 

glimoma90
事实上中国人可以通过黑客取得美军的最高级别机密和设计蓝图等，再倒过来设计出他们自己的武器和软件。比起这些武器和软件本身，这些事情更证明了中国人的能力，和更深远的战略意义。

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It's profits or more profits. It's false and misleading to say the choices are freedom and profits. 

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无非是利益或更多的利益，称科技公司的选择是自由和利益是一种误导。

glioma90
Good, keep thinking that the Chinese is that stupid to not realise the "design flaws" when even you can identify it. 

glioma90
好吧，你继续觉得中国人傻到看不见“设计缺陷”，连你都看出来了。

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Jason Watkins
杰森.沃特金斯
I'm not angry about the Chinese copying it. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. I'm angry the US govt continues to pour money into such a terrible program.

我并不气愤中国人复制了它。当你的敌人犯错误的时候，永远不要打断他。我生气的是美国ZF在这种垃圾项目上投入了那么多资金。

glioma90
神经胶质瘤90
If Chinese really did copy it, then you have nothing to complain about. When it comes to war (and the F-35 is a warplane after all) everything is fair game, and that includes - and must include - military espionage. Every country has to protect their military secret, so stop whining if you make it so easy for your military secrets to be stolen.

如果中国人真的复制了它，那你就没有什么好抱怨的了。当涉及到战争时(毕竟F35是战斗机)一切都是公平的，而且战争包含了——也必须包含——军事间谍活动。每个郭嘉都必须去保护它的军事机密。所以如果你不能保障自己的军事机密免于被偷，就不要再整天哭哭嚷嚷的了。

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martinusher
They'll move. Honest. This idea that America is 'free' and China 'not free' is actually ludicrous. There are significant cultural differences between China and the US which influence how their societies are organized but the notion that China is a giant prison camp full of impoverished, enslaved, masses is just ridiculous. They're not the 'enemy', either -- they're a competing nation, one that's big enough to take us on and win if we don't watch out. Two things you need to bear in mind are..... -- The Chinese middle classes are starting to enjoy levels of prosperity once reserved for the Americans. (They tend to think of their relatives in the US as the 'poor relations'.)
-- As soon as the Chinese make any money they're looking for real estate or other toeholds in the West with Canada and the US being favored. Also, if you still think they're a bunch of coolies only capable of copying stuff just remember that's how we once regarded the Japanese. They're different but they're easily as smart as we are and there's a lot of them. (Incidentally, re the F-35 -- some would suggest that if we wanted to seriously damage the Chinese defense forces we'd just give 'em the blueprints and encourage them to invest their efforts in building some.) 

诚实地说，他们会成功的。实际上，那种美国一定是“自由的”而中国一定是“不自由的”的想法是相当荒唐的。中美文化之间很多巨大的差异影响着各自社会的结构组成，但据此认为中国是一个充满贫穷、混乱和奴隶的大型集中营的观念是很可笑的。相比敌人，中国更像是一个富有竞争力的对手，如果我们不加以重视的话，他们将有足够的实力击败我们。有两点是你们需要牢记在心：1、中国的中产阶级开始享受那些原本应该属于美国的繁荣（他们现在开始认为那些在美国的亲戚是“穷亲戚”了）。2、一旦中国人有了钱，他们会投资在美国和加拿大西部任何他们看中的房地产或者其他可供他们立足的产业上。（这给了你们一种错觉）可能让你们认为他们也和当时的日本人一样，只是一群只会山寨的苦力。但他们并不相同，中国人很可能和我们一样聪明，但是他们的人数更多！（顺便再说下F35,有人建议只要把F35的蓝图给中国人，并鼓励他们投入大量资源去生产，就能严重地破坏他们的国防力量。）

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martinusher
Ahh....you've been living in a parallel universe, I see. Have a look at your stuff to see how much is 100% American sourced. I'd guess that unless you were writing your CiF comments on a computer made in the 1980s (which wouldn't work....) then you own quite a bit of Chinese made stuff. Its the way the world works these days. 

哎呀，你是在平行宇宙中生活吧，我觉得。看看你使用的东西，有多少是100%美国制造的。我想，除非你用来发表评论的电脑是在1980年代生产的（那时的电脑现在也用不了），那么你所使用的东西，总会有中国制造的。这也是现今时代世界潮流。

glioma90
You live in a really small well. From biomedical breakthroughs like the genetic engineering (the CASPR technique, the creation of human sperm from embryonic stem cells), to military (e.g. hypersonic glide vehicle, carrier killer missiles) to space technology (e.g. quantum communication satellite, dark matter detector satellite, the second space station, the largest terrestrial radiotelescope), to information technologies (e.g. the world's fastest supercomputer), to transport technologies (e.g. high speed rail, Maglev), to social media (e.g. WeChat) to green technologies to robotics, China has been ahead of the West. Is it as a whole more innovative than the West? Not yet, but with the speed it is closing the gap, only people as naive as you will sit on their laurels and think that only the West can innovate and underestimate the Chinese capability to do the same, and maybe do it even better especially with a whole generation of graduates who return from studying - and topping their class - in MIT and Harvard and Oxbridge. Remember the story of the hare and the tortoise, except that China is much faster and cleverer than the tortoise here. Get out of your little well 

你的格局也很小。从生物医学突破：基因工程（如caspr技术，一种从胚胎干细胞中制造人类的精子），到军事（如超音速飞行器，航母杀手导弹），到太空技术（如量子通讯卫星，暗物质探测器，第二座太空站，陆基最大射电望远镜），到通讯技术（如世界速度最快超级计算机），到交通技术（如高铁，磁悬浮列车），到社交媒体（如微信），到绿色能源，到机器人，中国都已经领先西方。难道这不能算是整体性的超越西方的创新？即使不是，但差距越来越近，只有天真如你这样的人才躺在过去的荣耀上，低估中国人创新的能力，以为只有西方才能创新。特别是，随着一整代曾经在麻省理工，哈佛，剑桥求学而且还是班上尖子生的海归归国，也许中国人还能做的比西方更好呢。记得龟兔赛跑吧，中国是那只最终取胜的乌龟，且还比那只乌龟速度更快，脑子更聪明。睁眼看世界吧你。

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Eric Moller
In the end these Tech companies are going to have to ..choose either Profits or Freedom ...in today's China you cannot have both and in tomorrow's AMerica they will be asked to cooperate or move ...to China ..In the end The tech Companies cannot have their cake and eat it to .. 

最后，这些技术型公司将不得不在利润和自由间做一个选择。在今天的中国，你不可能二者兼得，而在明日的美国，不和政府合作的话，就得搬到中国去。所以无论如何，这些科技企业都无法鱼与熊掌兼得。

Eric Moller
It would amaze me if China could invent something of their own ..You know create their own stuff ....Seems like Dictatorships like governments have real problems with BASIC creativity ..They resort to stealing ideas from creative Nations ....I would be real interesting for a western Nation to design something so bad and push it so hard that a government like China or Russia steal the plans for it build it and find what they have is junk .. Now that would be the ultimate buyer beware scenario.... Oh the heads that would roll .... Be good for a chuckle from the West .. 

如果中国只靠自己能创新出什么来，我就吃键盘。你知道吗，只靠自己他们能创新？独裁政权的内在就注定无法创新。从创新国家偷盗是他们的习惯思维。我想啊，要是西方国家故意设计一些拙劣的东西来，然后一个独裁政权，如中国和俄罗斯，在偷盗习惯思维驱使下窃取过去，还照本宣科地去制造，最后才发现这是个垃圾，而他们是这个垃圾的最后接盘侠，这就好笑了。让我转头偷笑一下，来自西方的笑。