极保守游说团体日本会议支持修宪 [日本媒体]

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TOKYO —An influential political lobby in Japan will do its utmost to capitalize on Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s election victory and push for the constitution to be revised to allow a more active military the group’s chairman said Wednesday.

东京——一个有影响力的日本游说组织，将要竭尽全力利用安倍首相选举胜利之机，推动宪法修改，以允许更多的军事活动，该团体的领导人说。

Abe’s gains in the upper house in last weekend’s election mean his party can cobble together the crucial two-thirds majority in both houses to propose a revision and put it to a referendum if it gets support from lawmakers in other parties open to the changes.

安倍在上周三的选举中赢得上议院，意味着他的政党可以在国会中拼凑出至关重要的三分之二的多数席位，提出修宪和进行公民投票。假如它能够的到其他党派立法者的支持，将可以更改宪法。

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Tadae Takubo chairman of Nippon Kaigi or Japan Conference said the war-renouncing constitution that makes Japan’s defense “defective” needs to be corrected.

“日本会议”主席田久保忠卫说，放弃战争的宪法使得日本的防务存在“缺陷”，需要进行纠正。

It’s time to grow out of Japan’s “silly” postwar goal of becoming an economic power with lightweight military and seek to restore Japan with more self-respect traditional family values and principles under the emperor as head of nation said Takubo international politics professor at Kyorin University.

是时候摆脱日本愚蠢的战后目标：成为一个军队无足轻重的的经济强国。要用皇帝的带领下，用更加有尊严的传统家庭价值观和原则，来恢复日本的地位，日本杏林大学国际政治教授田久保忠卫说。


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bruinfanJUL. 14 2016 - 06:51AM JST
bruinfan 2016.07.14 06:51 AM 日本标准时间
These guys disgust me. They are also against the truth of the past.

这些家伙让我恶心。他们还否认历史事实。

MoonrakerJUL. 14 2016 - 07:01AM JST
Moonraker 2016.07.14 07:01 AM 日本标准时间
Well now they are well and truly in power and we can expect the restoration of "traditions similar to prewar-era family values centered on the emperor and to put national interest before individuals’ basic human rights in some cases." It's hard to believe we are in the 21st century especially as we saw where all this bankrupt ideology led before.

好吧，他们现在真正掌握了日本的权力，所以我们可以预见他们在某些情况下将恢复“以天皇为中心的类似于战前家庭价值观那样的传统，并将国家利益置于个人利益之前。”我们已经知道这样的意识形态在历史上给我们带来了什么样的后果，可是在21世纪的今天他们还想这么做，真是令人难以置信。

sillygirlJUL. 14 2016 - 07:15AM JST
sillygirl 2016.07.14 07:15AM 日本标准时间
In a word frightening

总之，这叫人感到可怕(意指修宪)。

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Fre OkinJUL. 14 2016 - 07:17AM JST
 Tadae Takubo chairman of Nippon Kaigi and other grey haired oldies like Ishihara should volunteer to be frontline JSDF 'generals. They should also donate their banks other properties send their children into the frontline. Lead By Example Show your Bushido spirit instead of just talking. If they don't lead by example it is Very Honorable for ordinary Younger Generation Japanese to just escape being drafted conscxted if LDP try to change the law to make Japan more militaristic， This happen in US where elites like Clinton Chenney avoid being drafted during the Vietnam War. There is No Shame to avoid becoming an accessory of war mongers.

   “日本会议”主席田久保忠卫还有一些像石原这样白发苍苍的老顽固应该主动去做日本防务前线的将军。他们也应该主动捐献自己的银行账户和其他财产并把他们的孩子送到前线服役，展示你们的武士道精神而不是仅仅说教。如果自民党想要改变法律是日本更加军国主义，如果他们不做榜样，那么日本普遍的年轻一代逃避应召入伍也是正直的。这曾经也发生在美国，像克林顿（美国总统），切克（迪克-切尼，小布什副手）这样的精英也在越南战争期间逃兵役，避免成为战争贩子的帮凶没什么可耻的。

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RealCDNJUL. 14 2016 - 07:18AM JST
Is public interest ahead of individual interest such a bad thing? A little less selfishness but rather a focus on the good of society might not be so terrible? Sadly too many youth (in particular) may have been unduly influenced by 'western values' which do not actually serve their interests in the long run... but rather those of the corporation.

将公共利益置于个人利益之上是一件坏事？少一点自私，让社会更美好，这不挺好的吗？可悲的是（特别是）很多年轻人可能过度地被西方价值观所影响，从长远看来实际上这并未为他们的利益服务……而是为企业的利益服务。

Commodore Shmidlap (Retired)JUL. 14 2016 - 07:19AM JST
All out in the open-- the plans of dirty old men who despise women and universal human rights and want things run solely to their own benefit in the guise of "traditional values." A nation heading into straight-up theocratic dictatorship. I mourn for Japan's future.

全部公开----这些肮脏的鄙视女性和普遍人权并想要事情仅按照他们的利益在“传统价值”的外衣下运作的老男人的计划。一个朝着神权专政直线前进的国家。我为日本的未来哀悼。

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YubaruJUL. 14 2016 - 07:21AM JST
and seek to restore Japan with more self-respect traditional family values and principles under the emperor as head of nation

并且寻求恢复日本自重的传统价值观以及让天皇统治，作为国家元首。

Looking to put women back in their place along with guys dressing in kimonos and carrying two swords.

让日本女人回到过去的地位，并且穿和服佩戴两把剑的人也将重新出现。

Hopefully no one will take them seriously.

希望没人拿这当回事。

JimizoJUL. 14 2016 - 07:22AM JST
How disgusting

真特么恶心。

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SchopenhauerJUL. 14 2016 - 07:27AM JST
Forget about these old guys. However I wonder why do China and Korea have concerns on this topic. I want to know how their constititions are written

不要去理会这些老家伙。但是我想知道为什么中国和韩国会一直关注这件事。他们的宪法是怎么出来的？

klausdorthJUL. 14 2016 - 07:51AM JST
Back to the past!

这是一种倒退行为

Those oldies should enjoy their retirement and not interfere with stuff like this!

这些老人家应该好好享受他们退休的生活，不要掺和这些事

Besides denying what happened years ago brainwashing and lying respectively exaggerating .... that's "their way" to deal with historical facts. Don't blame China or South Korea!

并且通过说谎和洗脑来否定多年之前发生的事情。。这就是他们处理历史问题惯用的手段。不要怪中国和韩国。

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samwattersJUL. 14 2016 - 07:57AM JST
@Moonraker. You have legitimate concerns but in this case I don't think Japan will revert to the pre-WWII mindset for the following reasons. 1.) Current Japan is more individual-minded than before. They complain they file lawsuits and they do want to do what they want to do and to hell with one who doesn't like it. Case-in-point; the plummeting rates of marriage and birth. 2.) I don't care what the old farts above say I believe they still think that the US military will back their every move. I'm sure they envision the Americans going to places and getting killed while the Japanese sit at home and make speeches and write documents. I have from good sources heard that if Japan does change Article 9 that you can expect a sizeable reduction in US forces and involvement in Japan. The US and Japan will always be allies but the dependency cycle will be stopped. 3.) The above-mentioned old farts have to understand that a fair number of Japanese men wear make-up and are more concerned about their hair than about restoring some sense of misplaces pride. You can't fight a war with men who are bothered by broken nails. In the end I don't think Article 9 is going to be changed.

@Moonraker.。你的考虑很合理，但是在这种情况下，我不认为日本会回到二战前的思维，原因有以下几点：（1）日本现在比以前更加个人主义。他们抱怨他们控诉，他们只想去做想做的事，让那些不喜欢的人有多远滚多远。一个重要的证明就是：结婚率和生育率暴跌，（2）我不关心那些老东西在上面说了什么，我相信他们仍然认为美国军队给他们的行动撑腰。他们依然认为美国人会给他们卖命，而他们自己只要坐在家里发表讲话写写文件就可以。我从可靠消息来源听说如果日本改变宪法第九条，美国在日本的驻军和参与度将大大减少。美国和日本将仍然是盟友，但是这种依赖会停止。（3）上面提到的老东西们必须要明白，相当一部分的日本人害怕编入军队，他们关心他们的发型胜过所谓的恢复虚无的自豪感。所以，你不能靠那些破了点指甲都很厌烦的人去打一场战争。最后，我不认为宪法第9条将会更改。

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MoonrakerJUL. 14 2016 - 08:01AM JST
@RealCDN. I see how to solve your problem. Your "western values" whatever they are that so corrupt the youth and these renewed calls for promoting society above the individual can be reconciled and be made to pull in the same direction by just making Japan more resemble a corporation. It probably won't take a big leap to do this. It will resemble the corporatism of Fascist Italy. And when it suits those in power they can pick from "western values" (don't always need to call 'em that though) or tradition to emulate or to caution against to back their case as needs be. They get a twofer that way. My bet is this is something like Nippon Kaigi has in mind too.

@RealCDN。我知道怎样解决你的问题。你所谓“西方价值观”就是的年轻人腐化堕落，因此要求将社会置于个人之上，通过使日本变成一个公司方式，变得和谐和齐心协力。但是这样做不会带了大的飞跃。这将会类似于一个意大利法西斯集团。当适合权力阶级的利益时他们就使用“西方价值观”（并不总是需要叫的这么直白）或传统来仿效或者警告，从而实现自己的利益。他们用这种办法取得利益。我打赌这就像日本会议所想要的。

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Alistair CarnellJUL. 14 2016 - 08:02AM JST
Abe did not make the constitution a focus of the election but said on Monday he takes Sunday’s victory as a public endorsement for a revision

安倍并没有让修改宪法成为选战的焦点。但是他周一说周日的胜利表明了公众支持他修宪。

Er no Shinzo that just proves that everyone in business was fooled by your 'Abenomics' flim flam and the greying population not caring what happens as long as they get their ￥30000 as promised.

呃，不，安倍只是证明了每一个有关的人都被安倍经济学骗了
而老年人口不关心发生了什么事，只要他们能够得到他们被承诺的30000日元就可以。

Not an endorsement but an indictment on how bad your politics are.

并不是民众支持修宪而是控诉安倍的政治有多糟糕。

gkamburoffJUL. 14 2016 - 08:07AM JST
Have the lessons of nationalism and war been forgotten?

还没从民族主义和战争中得到教训吗？

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matakaJUL. 14 2016 - 08:11AM JST
"This is a golden opportunity that has never happened before"

“这是前所未有的绝佳机会”

A vile poorly educated ignorant and backward looking human being. I hope that younger generations join together to stand up against this kind of cancer. This is their golden opportunity to deny once and for all such people from positions of authority. Japan will never move forward while such thinking remains prent among the ruling classes.

卑鄙的没有受过教育的无知和向后看的人。我希望年轻人能联合起来对抗这种恶习。这是所有那些当权者的绝佳机会来否定现宪法。如果这种思想在当权者中盛行，日本将永远无法进步。

DebuchoJUL. 14 2016 - 08:25AM JST
here come the nutters!

来了群疯子！

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zurcroniumJUL. 14 2016 - 08:28AM JST
Japan has a security agreement with the USA. That is all it needs. It could have zero military spending and not have to worry. Been that way for over nearly 70 years and will be that way for another 70 years. Besides china is Japan's number one trading partner fighting with China is suicide economically.

日本和美国有着安全协议。那是它全部所需要的。它可以做到零军事开支且不需要去担心。这样一直持续了超过差不多（语病？）70年且还将再持续70年。此外中国是日本的第一大贸易伙伴，和中国开战等同于经济上的自杀。

These regressive fools want to return to the 1930s when Japan was a political train wreck. Even the emperor knows better as he has often stated. This represents a dangerous political trend that would lead to Japan fading faster then it is now economically and politically on the international level. And Abe again is one of them.

这些退化的蠢蛋想回到日本政治火车失事的19世纪30年代。甚至天皇都比他更了解。这代表着一种危险的将导致日本更快的衰落的政治倾向，这种衰落已经体现在政治和国际层面上了。安倍再一次成为了他们中的一员。

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klausdorthJUL. 14 2016 - 08:30AM JST
Changing the constitution will just be a first step of many more to follow!

修宪只是第一步，后面还会有很多跟进！

Japan was able to live without a revised constitution for more than 70 years. So why change it now? And I think we can all agree that Nippon Kaigi is nothing more than an ultra right wing "gathering spot" for those who want to bring back the "glorious" past of Japan. Besides I doubt that the JSDF was able to fight a war all by itself in case that something like this should ever happen. They will still rely on allies like the US to not only help and support but to fight the battle.

日本在没有修宪的情况下好好地过了70几年。那为什么现在要修宪？我想我们都同意，“日本议会”无非是一个想恢复日本“辉煌”的过去的极右翼“集会所”。而且我怀疑，万一真的出现极端情况，日本自卫队是否能仅凭一己之力去打一仗。他们仍然会依靠像美国这样的盟友，不仅仅提供帮助和支持，还要直接参战。