(二)“勤劳、肮脏、愚钝的人”,首次以英文出版的阿尔伯特爱因斯坦的旅行日记 [英国媒体]

这位理论物理学家在中东和远东进行了五个半月的旅行。(游记中称)中国人“肮脏”而且“愚钝”,他们会像欧洲人那样蹲在厕所吃东西。



Theoretical physicist went on five-and-a-half month voyage Middle and Far East

这位理论物理学家在中东和远东进行了五个半月的旅行。

Chinese are 'filthy' and 'obtuse' who squat to eat like Europeans on the toilet 

(游记中称)中国人“肮脏”而且“愚钝”,他们会像欧洲人那样蹲在厕所吃东西。

It would be 'a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races', said Einstein  

爱因斯坦说:“如果那些中国人取代所有其他人种,将是一个遗憾。”

This would be 'dreary' adding that the Chinese have 'abundance of offspring'

“中国人大量的繁衍后代给人类数量带来的增加是沉闷的。”

Albert Einstein's private diaries reveal the iconic scientist's racist attitudes on a trip to Asia in the 1920s.

阿尔伯特爱因斯坦的私人日记揭露了这位标志性的科学家在1920年代一次亚洲旅行中的种族主义态度。

SanD
I wouldn't doubt the great man for one moment !

我丝毫不会怀疑这个伟大的人!

Edanna
People today seem incapable of understanding that times were ever different than they are now. Their empathy largely does not extend into the past, or even to individuals, just to protected "tribes" to make them feel warm and fuzzy as they post their condemnations on social media. Albert Einstein contributed more to the advancement of humanity than any social justice flag bearer and I hope this doesn't signal the latest campaign against the past.

当今的人似乎不能理解当时与现在是不同的。他们的同情心大多不会延伸到过去,甚至不会延伸到其他个体身上,只是为了保护“古老的美好”,让他们在社交媒体上发表谴责时感到内心的温暖舒适。而阿尔伯特爱因斯坦对人类进步的贡献超过了任何一位社会正义的扛旗者,我希望这件事不会成为最新一场反对过去的运动的信号。

KB
Those are mere observations.

那只不过是一些观察。

DWW
Well, will have to remove every thing to with him, undo his experiments, findings, and anything that's developed from him. Or it's his view, we all have them...

好吧,人们将不得不把他所有的成就抹除,否定他的试验、发现和他开发出来的任何东西。或者说这只是他的看法,我们都有类似的毛病……

Libertycan
How does this qualify as ray-cism? He made observations. He praised their neighbours who share the same rayce.

这种事怎么够得上种族主义?他做了一些观察而已。他称赞了一些和他有相同境遇的邻居。

Soss
Its all Relativity

这些都是相对的。

shubbyp
that was then... this is now, times were different, how far back are we going to go, did some one once call a dinasaur a monster, thats terrible

当时是当时,现在是现在,时代不同了。我们到底要在这个问题上走多远?难道要发展到因为某个人曾经说恐龙是怪物,所以“他真糟糕”吗?

Minor1018
Different times so what's the problem you cannot change history move on deal with today's issues not last century and beyond

时代不同了,所以这有什么问题呢?你又不能因为今天的问题而改变历史,更何况是上个世纪以前的事情了。

Denni
Those comments are neither racist or zenophobic. Einstein was merely telling it like it is (or was) in the 1920's. Don't judge him by today's synthetic 'let's please everybody' standards.

那些评论既不是种族主义,也不是仇外情绪。爱因斯坦只不过讲述了1920年代的样子。不要用今天生造的“我们要取悦每个人”的标准来评判他。

mazdamadman
Why are you speaking funy

为啥要说?

Rich Ferdinand
Just because it was an honest assessment doesn't make it racist.

不能因为这是诚实的评估而称之为种族主义。

Military Mom
Well, if he "didn't intend them for publication", why are you publishing them?

好吧,如果他“并没有打算发表它们”,那你们为什么要发表出来?

BlondyO
He was just reporting on what he observed. That's not racist.

他只是报道他看到的东西。这并非种族主义。

May Lantz
Yup, exactly. it was his observation... how can anybody perceive this as racist?! and I believe "industrious" is rather positive word. Or you people who call this "racist" are taught to see any negative word as "racist". You lost the ability to accurately describe human beings. Everything negative has to be racist, right? So, afraid to be called racist... poor people. Maybe, just maybe, you should find out what actually "racist" means.

是的,正是如此,那是他的观察。怎么会有人认为这是种族歧视?!我认为“勤勉”是一个相当积极的词。或者你们这些称之为“种族主义者”的人,被教导要把任何负面的词视为“种族主义者”?你们失去了准确描述人类的能力。所有负面的东西都必须是种族主义的,对吧?所以,你们害怕被称为种族主义者……可怜的人。也许,只是也许,你们应该弄清楚“种族主义者”到底是什么意思。

William DeFeline
Maybe it's racist for people today to believe that all races and cultures are exactly the same. There are differences. It's not judgemental, it's just observation

也许对于今天的某些认为所有种族和文化都应该完全一致的人来说,这就是种族主义。差异是存在的,而这并不是评判,而只是观察结果。

MrsAaronRodgers
He was a person of his time. Doesn't make it right, but unfortunately that's the way scientists were then. Him being Jewish, he certainly should have known better, but if we're going to character assassinate every historical figure by judging them via our own Modern mores, we're not gonna have any historical figures left.

他是他那个时代的人。并不是说这就是对的,但很不幸那就是当时的科学家的行为方式。他身为犹太人,肯定应该知道的更多,但是如果我们要通过我们自己的现代观念来评判每一个历史人物并中伤他们,那我们就不会剩下任何历史人物了。

LAW
I travelled through Alexandria, once. It was the dirtiest, most disgusting placeI've ever visited. Am I entitled to my opinion, or am I being 'racist'?

我去亚历山大港旅行过一次。那是我去过的最肮脏,最恶行的地方。我难道没有资格说出我的看法,否则我就是个种族主义者吗?

I Am No One
A place being dirty is not something you can see or smell. Saying an entire group of people are "obtuse" is subjective. He did not speak Chinese. He was not familiar with the local customs. Maybe he's the one who is slow to understand.

说某个地方肮脏并不是你能看见或闻到的东西。然而说整群人都“迟钝”却很主观。他不会说中文。他也不熟悉当地的风俗。也许他才是那个理解迟钝的人。

pianochick86
"A place being dirty is not something you can see or smell." You seem to be just as obtuse as the people Einstein was describing.

“说某个地方肮脏并不是你能看见或闻到的东西。”你似乎正是爱因斯坦所描述的那种“迟钝”的人。

BobJ9
Was his comments correct ? Have things changed ?

他的评论正确吗?事情发生变化了吗?

Stephem Murphy
Nope.

没有。

YEH RIGHT....
He's not wrong.

他没错。

Ex Pat Las Vegas
Good lord! We are now examining historical figures to see if they exhibited racist tendencies--measured by today's standards--at any point in their illustrious careers? That's about as stupid as pulling down statues of Confederate generals in America's South. History cannot be changed. If it is rewritten we all lose. Judge not lest ye be judged sounds quite appropriate to me.

我的天!我们现在正在研究历史人物,看看他们在辉煌的职业生涯中,有没有表现出种族主义倾向(以当今的标准衡量)?这就像美国南部拆毁南方邦联将军的雕像一样愚蠢。历史无法改变。如果历史重写,我们都会失败。不要评判人,免得被评判。这话在我听来,甚是合宜。

pointblank
Damn meant to down arrow this buffoon.

麻蛋,本来想点踩的。

Now run along
Under China's oppressive regime, automatons is actually a very accurate description: conform, or face the consequence.

在中国的高压统治下,机器人实际上是一种非常准确的描述:顺从,或面对后果。

lucky
Exactly

正是。

Janet
OK, now let's hear from the travel diary of a Chinese big-wig who visited Britain. Bet he's an abominable bigot who deserve to be roundly condemned!!!

好了,现在让我们来听一段访问英国的中国人的旅行日记。我打赌他是个可恶的偏执者,应该受到严厉的谴责!!

Some_Person
Wow, a guy who died in the 1930s does not speak with all the PC euphemisms that started being introduced in the 1990s

哇,一个死于30年代的家伙,竟然没有用90年代开始使用的那些政治正确的委婉用语说话。

BARRY, HITCHIN
HE DIED IN 1955

他死于1955年。

Mannie Davis
He died in 1955, but yeah.

他死于1955年,但上面没说错。

BeateBerlin
he gave us the theory of relativity... nobody is perfect :-)

他给我们发明了相对论,没有哪个人是完美的。

willi23
Einstein was a famous fraudster and plagiarist who refused to give credit to people who had discovered scientific concepts long before he ever copied them. Awful man!

爱因斯坦是一个着名的骗子和剽窃者,他拒绝相信那些早在他抄袭之前就发现了科学概念的人。糟糕的家伙!

Realiist
Tell us more, who actually proposed relativity first?

愿闻其详,是谁真正第一个提出了相对论?

richard
Things havent changed much since then but now we have lots of the dirty uneducated people living in britain leeching off us.

从那时起,情况并没有多大变化,但现在英国有很多生活没有受过教育的肮脏的家伙在我们身上吸血。

Lily Jameson
Agreed! That's why I haven't eaten in a Chinese restaurant in about 20 years.

同意!这就是为什么我二十多年都没去过中餐馆吃饭。

LateToTheGame
Japan has had a love affair with the west for a long time, probably why they got off lightly. Must have seen a lot of people pretending to be western.

日本与西方有一段很长时间的风流韵事,这可能是他们为何能轻松脱身的原因。一定有很多人假装是西方人。

burnhoff
And it's reported in here? what a surprise!

这里有报道吗?真是个惊奇!

Express14
Totally different world then. And totally different mindset.

时代完全不同了。观念也完全不同了。

Take Responsibility
He found their living conditions filthy. Does this make him racist? He found them obtuse. He's the smartest man ever to have lived. By his standards, everyone is obtuse. Does this make him racist? People need to have a pint and calm down.

他发现他们的生活条件很恶劣。这能说明他是种族主义者吗?他发现他们迟钝。这是因为他是有史以来最聪明的人。按照他的标准,每个人都迟钝。这能说明他是种族主义者吗?人们需要喝一杯,冷静一下。

Chume1
Well his observations appear spot on

好吧,他的观察似乎很准确。

Trevki
Speak as you find....in those days you could. Now people only think it.

说出你看到的东西,在当时你可以这么做。现在人们只能想想。

Rarkar
Thought is louder than words.

思想比言语更震撼。

My Pointless Views
Too many people keep judging the past by the standards of today. It just doesn't work and it isn't fair, so why do they do it, other than for sensationalism and to further their own career !

太多人一直在用今天的标准评判过去。这种做法没用,而且不公平,那么他们除了想搞个大新闻并且大赚一笔,还有什么理由这么做呢?

ChiefQP
True, the past is far different than today..

是的,过去跟现在大相径庭……

paulwbafc73
Those comments are also common in the class system of that time period.

那些评论在当时的阶级制度下也很常见。

DontModerateMeBro
One of the smartest men to ever walk the Earth. I'll take his realistic assessment over "feels" any day.

他是世界上最聪明的人之一,相对于任何时候的“感觉”,我更加接受他的现实评价。

Myosotis
Perhaps he just reported the situations as he saw them.

也许他只是记录了他所看到的情景。

SteveB195
Well is he wrong? The biggest genius making a remark that he observed on his travels, who are to condemn him!

他错了吗?最伟大的天才在他的旅行中说了一句话,有什么好谴责的!

Paul118
Einstein the "biggest genius"? He was an amateur compared to Newton.

爱因斯坦是“最大的天才”?与牛顿相比,他只不过是个票友。

Victor Mason
Einstein got it, he understood how the world works and was unencumbered by having to worry whether or not someone's feelings were bruised. A clear, honest observation for the time.

爱因斯坦明白,他明白了世界是如何运转的,并且不受人的影响,不管是否有人的感情受到了伤害。这是一种清晰、诚实的观察。

Snowhiker
"'Industrious, filthy, obtuse people'", seems AE traveled into the future an met the karTrashians.

“勤劳、肮脏、愚钝的人”,就好像爱因斯坦在未来旅行,碰到了karTrashian人。

StevenMurphy
Or maybe he was just joking?

或者他只是开玩笑?

Avery123
And what did he think of Palestine?

他对巴勒斯坦人是什么看法?

Leftisuk
And how is that relevant?

二者有什么关联吗?

Candidly
I remember reading a photographic book on the holyland taken in the twenties. It warned people that many of the historical sites were used by the locals as toilets.

我记得我读过一本与20年代圣地有关的摄影书。它警告人们,有许多历史遗迹被当地人用作厕所。

heatherlbullock
Left, it says in the article that he visited Palestine, so that's how it is relevant.

左图说他访问了巴勒斯坦,所以这是相关的。

Albert Zweistein
Sjws will call for a ban on Einstein and we'll never be able to talk about him in 3..2..1..

SJW会呼吁封杀爱因斯坦,我们将不能再讨论他,倒计时开始3……2……1……

Lady Evensong
It was a brutal war. Read up on it before you make judgements. You could not imagine the atrocities.

那是一场残酷的战争。

antonyuk30
Yet again the people of today are passing judgement on something that was written almost a hundred years ago. Einstein's diaries were personal to him and no one else. Nobody has the right to judge him for his personal thoughts from the 1920's, the world was different then.

然而,今天的人们又一次对写于近百年前的东西作出了评判。爱因斯坦的日记是他的私人日记,又不是给别人写的。没有人有权力根据他20世纪20年代的个人思想来评判他,当时的世界是不同的。

to.astrian
As someone who has traveled quite widely, not to tourist traps, it's quite hard to avoid negative generalisations at times, it's just part of human nature

作为某个走马观花的人,如果不是旅游的老鸟,很难避免那个时代消极的一概而论,这只不过是人类的部分天性。

snotcricket
If I remember correctly, Einstein was a scientist, not a social worker. He should be judged by his contributions in the field of science, not by how far his attitudes diverge from today's intensely judgemental and self-righteous dogma.

如果我没记错,爱因斯坦是科学家,而不是社会工作者。应该通过他所处的科学领域的成就来评价他,而不是他的态度与当今强烈的批判和自以为是的教条有多大的不同。

Paul118
Einstein also thought the universe had no beginning. How'd that turn out?

爱因斯坦也认为宇宙没有源头,结果怎么样了?

HAC
Didn't see the point of reading this! He's been dead how long?

看不出来读这种书有什么意义!他已经死了多久了?

Emma_star
I mean how far back are we going to go to find things to be offended by? What's the statute of limitations on this?

我的意思是,我们要在“发现自己被某种东西冒犯了”的路上走多远?这种事的诉讼时效有多长?

VladDrake78
Funny how SJWs will attack people who are dead and can't defend themselves. SJWs are cowards.

SJW攻击那些死了而不能自我辩解的人,真有意思,SJW是懦夫。

Troobloo
Palestine didn't exist then.

当时巴勒斯坦还不存在。

anglolithceltjock
It's all relative, at least that's my theory

都是相对的,至少在我看来。

Liberty1972
Ghandi also said a lot of things that wouldn't be considered "good politics" today, but he became more tolerant as he aged. Einstein lived another 30 years after he wrote that stuff in his diary, and he probably changed as well.

甘地也说了很多在今天不会被视为“政治正确”的话,但随着年齿日增,他变得更加具有忍耐性。爱因斯坦在写下这些日记之后又活了30年,他可能也有所转变。

Herbert Herbertson
Einstein - probably the most over rated person in history. Nicola Tesla achieved so much more yet is almost forgotten.

爱因斯坦是历史上最被高估的人。尼古拉特斯拉的成就那么大,现在却几乎被遗忘了。