大屠杀幸存者警告在英国极端主义不断增长可能导致重演纳粹德国 [英国媒体]

Holocaust survivors warn growing extremism in UK could lead to repeat of Nazi Germany

大屠杀幸存者警告在英国极端主义不断增长可能导致重演纳粹德国

'It is comforting to assume that civilisation is a one-way street, when in fact experience teaches us that it is but a thin veneer, very easily torn away'

人们总是乐观的以为文明是一条单行道，事实上，经验告诉我们，它只是一块薄薄的薄片，很容易被撕破。



Ten designs have been shortlisted for the memorial garden set for completion by 2021 UK Holocaust Memorial Competition/Caruso St John Architects, Marcus Taylor, Rachel Whiteread

2021年英国大屠杀纪念馆设计竞赛已入围的十个作品/卡鲁索圣约翰建筑师、Marcus Taylor纪念园、Rachel Whiteread 

Holocaust survivors have issued a stark warning that the growing willingness of some "to express extreme views ... and act out their intolerance with violent acts" could lead to Britain becoming the Nazi Germany of tomorrow. 

大屠杀幸存者发出了严厉警告：越来越多的人愿意“表达极端观点…用暴力手段表达他们的不满”那可能导致英国成为明天的纳粹德国。

Three survivors of the fascist regime said it was of vital importance that the dangers of division were not forgotten, as they offered their support for a national Holocaust memorial and education centre to be built at Westminster. 

法西斯政权的三名幸存者说不要忘记分裂的危险是至关重要的，因此他们支持在Westminster建造一个国家大屠杀纪念馆和教育中心

Peter Lantos, who was a child when the Nazis killed 22 members of his family, said the memorial would be a “powerful reminder” of what can happen.

Peter Lantos，当他是一个孩子的时候，纳粹杀害了他的22位家人。他说，纪念馆对于未来将发生的事是一个“有力的提醒”。 

“We are the last generation to bear witness. When we die, no one can say ‘I was there’,” he said. 

他说“我们是最后一代目击证人，当我们死的时候，没有人可以说'我见证过那段历史'，”

“It’s important for the centre to be more than a record and testimony of the past. It is also a stark and powerful reminder, and warning to a future generation [of] what can happen when xenophobia and intolerance can lead to genocide.”

重要的是，这个教育中心不仅仅是过去的记录和见证。这也是一个赤裸裸的、强有力的提醒，警告未来一代人，当排外和狭隘可以导致种族灭绝的程度时，会发生什么事。

Joan Salter, 77, said civilisation is not a “one-way street” and can be easily “torn away.”

Joan Salter，77岁，她说文明不是一个“单行道”，并且可以很容易地“撕裂”。 

“It is comforting to assume that civilisation is a one-way street, when in fact experience teaches us that it is but a thin veneer, very easily torn away. Germany yesterday could so easily become Britain tomorrow,” she said. 

她说：“人们总是乐观地臆想文明是一条单行道，事实上经验告诉我们它只是一块薄薄的薄片，很容易被撕开。昨天的德国很容易成为明天的英国。”。 

“In recent times, we have seen the splintering of social cohesion, the growing willingness to express extreme views, the ability of some to act out their intolerance with violent acts, the lack of respect for those of different cultures.

最近，我们已经看到了社会凝聚力的分裂，越来越多的人表达出极端的观点，一些人用暴力的行为表达他们的不满，对不同的文化缺乏尊重。

"We live in dangerous times.”

“我们生活在危险的时代”

Ten designs by world-renowned architects have been shortlisted for the memorial and the winning conception will be chosen by an independent committee in September.

由世界着名建筑师设计的十个已入围的作品，将在九月由一个独立的委员会挑选出获奖作品

The UK Holocaust Memorial Foundation hopes the ￡50m centre will be open to the public in 2021.

英国大屠杀纪念基金会希望在2021年将教育中心以50英镑（600RMB）/人的价格向公众开放。



MT45
There was no social cohesion problems prior to mass, unfettered immigration, especially of people of a certain religion who have no intention of integrating so when you go searching for a cause, don't forget that that's the MAIN one.

在大规模、无限制的，特别是那些不注重整体的人移民来之前，社会存在着缺乏凝聚力的问题，所以当你去做一个事的时候，不要忘记这是主要的。

Billybuzz62
I applaud the Independent for allowing this discussion to take place. Very well done and thank you.

我赞成独立党通过这一议题。干得漂亮，谢谢你们。

Sancho Panza
Says a holocaust denier who ignores all evidence to the contrary as he thinks the holocaust was some ' zionist conspiracy' on the basis of his ' own research', mysteriously kept secret...
Added to this, he proclaims himself a 'free thinker' LOL! Since when has a fascist or an apologist for facist crimes ever been a 'free thinker'?

据说有一个大屠杀的否认者，他无视所有大屠杀的证据，他认为大屠杀是“犹太复国主义阴谋”，并在此基础上，他自己神秘地保守地研究。此外，他声称自己是“自由思想家”，哈哈！什么时候法西斯和为法西斯罪行辩护的人成为“自由思想家”？

MT45
Hitler was a Zionist, i.e. he supported a Jewish state in Palestine (anywhere but Germany).
Hitler colluded with Zionist Jews, who are mostly not true ethnic Jews, but the descendants of people in Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism over 400 years ago and it didn't matter how many true, ethnic, orthodox religious Jews were slaughtered to achieve that goal...

希特勒是一个犹太复国主义者，即他支持犹太国家在巴勒斯坦成立（除了德国）。  
希特勒与犹太复国主义者，他们大多不是真正的犹太人，但是在东欧人改信犹太教400多年后的后人中并没有多少真正的、正统的，以及被屠杀的犹太人来实现这一复国的目标

Honestly_Speaking
Israel is the perfect Nazi state in existance today.

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以色列就是今天仍存在的十足的纳粹国家

Urartu
So Honestly speaking you are fibbing?

（回复上一个）你在说谎吗？

MT45
There's a lot of educated people who agree with him...

（回复上一个）很多受过教育的人都同意他的观点

EarlofBrigand
Fascism is at heart, a symbiosis of the state and those who control big business.
We already have 'fascism' in places such as the USA, with its revolving door of politicians, bureaucrats, and senior private sector positions.

法西斯主义是在心里，一种国家和商业巨头互惠互利的关系。
在美国等地，我们已经有了“法西斯主义”，因为政客、官僚和高级私营部门都为法西斯打开大门。

dionysos
What utter tripe. America is a fully democratic country. The idea that it is fascist suggests that you have taken leave of your senses.

（回复上一位）
胡说。美国是一个完全民主的国家。认为它是法西斯就表明你失心疯了

EarlofBrigand
The key factor in any system is invariably economic.
Look at the lobbying, bribery and how key figures in the military, pharma, banking and other industries move between the private sector and government
Can you dispute that?
（回复上一位）

在任何系统中的关键因素是经济 不变。
看看私人部门和政府之间的游说、行贿和在军事、医药、银行等行业中关键人员的调动。你能对此提出异议吗？

Max Headroom
... and who elected the president? certainly not the people ... a gerrymandered electoral college!!

谁当选总统？当然不是一个人…而是一个被公正选出来的团体！

dionysos
EarlofBrigand
No the key factors are that America has free and fair elections, it has the rule of law, it has an independent judiciary, there are no extra-judicial executions, there is no imprisonment without trial, it has a free press, freedom of expression, etc etc. None of which appertain in fascist regimes.

美国有自由和公正的选举，它有法治，它有独立的司法，没有法外处决，没有不经审判的关押，有新闻自由，言论自由，等等等等，以上哪一个能法西斯政权中存在

dionysos
Max Headroom
In general Americans like the electoral college system and want to keep it - possibly with some amendments.

一般来说，美国人喜欢选举团制度，并希望保留它——可能有一些个例。

Urartu
Most people, including me, would not know the difference between fascism and National Socialism technically but would understand that both were authoritarian and committed widespread breaches of natural justice and human rights.
Both involved use of arbitrary law.
Granted that is so, there is at least anecdotal evidence for the UK and the USA heading that way yet still not strictly speaking Nazi or fascist. the same

大多数人，包括我在内，都不懂法西斯主义和社会主义国家的区别，但他们都明白，这两个国家都是独裁的，并且普遍违反自然正义和人权。
都滥用法律。
尽管如此，至少有英国和美国正朝着这样的方向发展的传闻，但严格来说，也不算是纳粹或法西斯。

Max Headroom
. . . no extrajudicial executions? your head is obviously up some very dark hole . . .
. . . how many unarmed black people have been shot dead by the american police in the last year?

。..没有法外处决？你的头，显然是有一些黑洞。 ..
。..去年有多少手无寸铁的黑人被美国警察击毙？