香港监狱中，女囚比例世界第一，应该保护她们 [英国媒体]

More women are in Hong Kong's prisons than anywhere else. They should be protected, not criminalised

在香港的监狱里，女性比其他任何地方都多。她们应该受到保护，而不是被关到监狱里



全文大意：
香港监狱女性囚犯比例是20.8%，亚洲平均6%，世界平均4.4%。
女性囚犯主要来自大陆、越南、印尼，罪行主要是非法移民的妓女或者走私毒品（身体藏毒）。
撰文作者认为她们都是贩毒集团和人贩子集团的受害者，把她们监禁起来是香港系统的性别歧视，应该考虑对其进行司法保护。


NO.01
JoeSmith25 3d ago
This is a ridiculous article. The number of prisoners in Hong Kong as a percentage of total population is quite small. To have a headline that reads Hong Kong has more female prisoners than anywhere else in the world simply because Hong Kong has more female prisoners as a percentage of the total number of prisoners (in Hong Kong) is very misleading (at best), and demonstrates that the author of this article has no qualms about manufacturing fake news by showing contempt to using statistics properly. The author argues that Hong Kong's system is terrible because it is gender neutral - Doesn't author know why the woman holding the scale of justice is blindfolded? Shame on the Guardian to even publish this article!

这是一篇荒谬的文章。在香港，囚犯人数占总人口的比例相当小。这个标题说香港比世界上其他任何地方拥有更多的女囚犯是误导的，这是因为香港监狱囚犯中女性比例高，说明本文的作者毫不犹豫地制造假新闻,蔑视正确使用统计数据。作者认为，香港的制度是可怕的，因为它是中性的——作者难道对那些女囚为何被正义审判视而不见?真替《卫报》发布这篇文章感到羞愧!

Herman Kusuma → JoeSmith25 3d ago
Statistics 101 aside, I disagree. The article is informative and well-written. Women in prisons, who are mostly foreigners, are used as mules, and other laborous crimes. This means they're more desperate, and thus are more in need of special attention by the HK govt and neighbouring govts.
It's a serious problem affecting children too. Social scientists and public servants are having a field of a day in trying to tackle the underlying causes.
I do remember people shrugging shoulders when they say more blacks are in American prisons. The causes and ramifications went over their heads quicker than they can salute.

关于统计学，我不赞成。这篇文章内容翔实，写得很好。监狱里的妇女大多是外国人，她们被用作贩毒的骡子和其他劳动罪。这意味着她们更绝望，因此更需要香港政府和邻近的政府的特别关注。
这也是影响儿童的一个严重问题，社会科学家和公务员每天都在努力解决的潜在问题。
我记得当人们说在美国监狱里有更多的黑人时，人们耸耸肩，对其中的前因后果不假思索。

visitingone → JoeSmith25 3d ago
not ridiculous - no victim of sex trafficking, for example, should be in jail - be that one woman, or 100 thousand women.

不荒谬，性交易没有受害者，无论是一个女人还是十万个女人，都不应该像那样在监狱里。

JoeSmith25 → Herman Kusuma 3d ago
I think plenty of people on this forum have already commented on how flawed your arguments are. Your point on people shrugging their shoulders over more blacks being imprisoned in the USA is totally irrelevant here. According to this article, only 20.8% of the prisoners in Hong Kong are women. Hong Kong actually has slightly more women than men. The number of women in prison is therefore a lot less than it should be (if you want to apply statistics and unbiased probability). Or are you arguing there should be less men in prisons, i.e. men are the victims in this article? Again, I have to say that I am vey disappointed that the Guardian will allow this article with such a misleading (fake) headline to be published!

我认为在这个论坛上有很多人已经评论过你的论点有问题。你刚才说人们对美国监狱黑人比较多不假思索和这个完全没关系。根据这篇文章，香港只有20.8%的犯人是女性。事实上，香港女性比男性略多一些。但监狱里的女性人数比理论值的要少得多(如果你想应用统计数据和无偏概率)。或者你认为监狱里的男人应该少一些，也就是说男人是这篇文章的受害者?同样，我不得不说，我很失望《卫报》将允许这篇文章以这样一个误导性的标题发表!

NO.02
JosephMcD84 3d ago
So 1 in 5 people in Hong Kong's jails are women and hence it is now a women's social justice issue?
There is a real story to be told here, and it is about PEOPLE. People being incarcerated unnecessarily (eg for drug crimes and sex work crimes), instead of helped. These people are both women and men.
If I wrote an article saying that 4 out of 5 people in Hong Kong's jail are men, explaining it's a men's issues, then I would be denounced as an MRA nutbag.
But apparently it's a women's issue and women shouldn't go to jail because they are mothers.
Look, I actually agree with you on that for most of these so-called crimes. But if you want to help put light on this social injustice, include all those who are suffering it, including least of all the majority of people who are suffering it.

因此，香港监狱中有五分之一的人是女性，因此现在是女性的社会正义问题?
这是一件关于人的真实故事。无论是男人还是女人因为毒品范围或性交易而被不必要的监禁，而不是得到帮助。
如果我写了一篇文章，说香港监狱里的4/5是男性，说这是一个男人的问题，那么我就会被谴责为一个疯子。
听着，实际上我同意你的观点，这些所谓的罪行。但如果你想要帮助人们了解这种社会不公，你需要的是团结所有因此受苦的人以及绝大部分吃瓜群众。

Herman Kusuma → JosephMcD84 3d ago
Chugging beers must be more impressive than having to really read this article and ponder why it is a social blight.
Reminds me of another article that says the tighter Citizenship tests for Australia is disproportionately against women. Some things don't appeal to our common sense. That's why earnestly reading these articles can help!

阅读这篇文章，思考这为何会成为一个社会问题还没有喝啤酒来的深刻。
让我想起另一篇文章，说澳大利亚的移民资格测试对女性不成比例的更加严格。有些东西不符合我们的常识。这就是为什么认真阅读这些文章会有帮助!

JosephMcD84 → Herman Kusuma 3d ago
I do get why it is a social blight. African Americans are far too overrepresented in American prisons. I think all races are, but it is clear that especially black Americans are. So I can see why there is a special extra consideration for blacks.
But as soon as the female prison population in a country reaches 1 in 5 prisoners, now it's a women's issue?
I get it, men are far likelier to commt violent and sexual offences, but the huge problem in Hong Kong is drug offences.
So I don't see how it's a women's issue as distinct from a people issue.

我明白为什么它是一个社会问题，非洲裔美国人在美国监狱的比例过高，我相信监狱里哪个种族都有，但是美国黑人特别的多，我想这就是为什么人们看待黑人总多了一层顾虑。
一个国家的女性囚犯人数一旦达到1 / 5，这就成了女性问题?
我明白了，男人更有可能犯暴力和性侵犯，但香港的一个大问题是她们是贩毒罪。
所以我不认为这个女性问题与人们的问题有什么不同。

NO.03
maleficent 3d ago
'More women are in Hong Kong's prisons than anywhere else.'
That sentence makes absolutely no sense. Unless there are more than 4 billion women in Hong Kong's prisons, then I will stand corrected.

“在香港监狱里的女人比世界任何一个地方都多”
那句话完全没有道理。除非有超过40亿妇女在香港的监狱，否则我将纠正它。

BeeDelaney → maleficent 3d ago
Basic statistics should be made a compulsory part of Gender Studies courses everywhere. With some urgency.

应该迫切的将《基础统计学》作为性别研究课程的必修课。

NO.04
brian123 3d ago
Only 20.8%? Shocking, why isn't it at an equitable 50%?

只有20.8% ? 震精了，咋不是公平的50%呢?

visitingone → brian123 3d ago
ugh!!! what a nasty  comment.

恶心！！！真是条讨厌的评论！

Truth Balloon → visitingone 3d ago
Please elaborate? Why is this nasty. According to feminism we need total equality so what is the issue with this comment?

请解释一下？讨厌在哪里？根据女权主义，我们需要完全的平等，所以这个评论哪个不对了?

Nickenomics → visitingone 3d ago
Do you not care about the gender incarceration gap?

你不关心性别监禁的差距吗?


alfredwong → Truth Balloon 3d ago
Don't you think men are far more likely to commit a crime, especially a violent one?

你不觉得男人比女人有犯罪倾向么？

ohyeahsure → Nickenomics 3d ago
You wish more people were incarcerated? Weird.

你希望更多的人被监禁？奇哉怪也。

Truth Balloon → alfredwong 3d ago
What does violent crime have to do with it? Laws are relative to the society that makes them. What constitutes a crime can vary and certainly has throughout history. Maybe more male behaviour is unfairly assumed to be negative. The article certainly argues that female criminals can be excused for being criminals because theres a horrible male criminal further up the food chain making them commit the crime.
Isnt it the responsibility of the lower ranked criminal to alert the police if someone tries to forced him/her into committing a crime? Rather than committing the crime and ONLY alerting authorities if caught?

暴力犯罪与性别有什么关系?法律是相对于制造它们的社会而言的，犯罪的构成可能在历史上有所不同，可能更多的男性行为被认为是负面的。这篇文章当然认为，女性罪犯可以被原谅，因为在食物链中，一个可怕的男性犯罪分子迫使女人犯下了罪行。
如果有人试图强迫他/她犯罪，那么她们是不是有责任报警，而不是犯罪？如果女人犯罪被抓住，当局只能警告?

NO.05
Softclocks 3d ago
Are you saying criminals shouldn't be locked up?
Why should Men be locked up and not women?
Why such a sexist view!

你是在说罪犯不能被关系来么？
为什么男人就可以被关，女人被关就是歧视？
怎么会有这种性别歧视！

visitingone  Softclocks 3d ago
Please read carefully - what the article is saying is most of these women are NOT criminals, but rather victims of sex trafficking or some sort of drug related crime, where they were used as drug mules for example.
Many of these women are virtually children. Most have no idea what they have 'done' as they have been used and abused.


要仔细阅读，文章说这些女人大多数是毒贩和人贩子的受害者，她们是被迫当贩毒骡子和非法性交易的。
这些妇女中有许多实际上是儿童。大多数人都不知道他们做了什么，因为他们已经被使用和滥用了。

Truth Balloon  visitingone 3d ago
But still have been arrested for a crime..

但依旧因为犯罪被捕了..

polytropic  visitingone 3d ago
Why are females smuggling drugs 'used' but males smuggling drugs are just 'criminals'.

为什么女人贩毒就是被迫的，男人贩毒就是主动的罪犯呢？