波兰将“波兰集中营”列为禁词 [英国媒体]

Polish politicians have given the green light to a bill to criminalise statements which suggest Poland bears responsibility for crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

波兰政客日前通过了一项法律——声称【波兰要为“德国纳粹的集中营”负责】的言论犯法

Phrases such as “Polish death camps” would be made a criminal offence, punishable by up to three years in prison or a fine.

说出像“波兰集中营”这样的词语将会被判超过三年的监禁

The bill will also make it illegal to deny the murder of around 100,000 Poles by units in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during the Second World War.

该法案还会把拒绝承认二次世界大战中乌克兰起义军造成的谋杀案约100000起的行为列为犯罪。

It still needs to be approved by Poland’s Senate and president.

不过这条法案还需要通过波兰总统和参议院。

Officials argue phrases such as “Polish death camps” suggest Poland is at least partly to blame for the camps in which millions of people, the majority Jewish, were killed by Nazi Germany.

一些公务人员反对说波兰死亡营这样的词表明了德国纳粹在集中营残害数百万人的行为波兰要负责任。

The camps were established and operated by the Nazis after Poland was invaded in 1939.

这些集中营是在1939年波兰被占领后纳粹建造的。

Deputy justice minister Patryk Jaki told state news agency PAP: “Non-governmental organisations indicate that every other day the phrase ‘Polish death camps’ is used around the world.

副司法部长Patryk Jaki 说：“非政府组织指出波兰死亡集中营这样的词早就被世界各地使用了。

“In other words, German Nazi crimes are attributed to Poles.

换句话说，德国纳粹的罪行被栽赃到了波兰人身上

“And so far the Polish state has not been able to effectively fight these types of insults to the Polish nation.”

迄今为止波兰政府无法有效对抗那些对波兰人民的指责。”

Critics say the law would have a stifling effect on debating history and freedom of expression within Poland.

评论家说这项法律不利于讨论历史，而且限制了人们的言论自由。

Poland’s ruling conservative Law and Justice Party (PiS) in facing accusations of stirring nationalistic sentiment to fuel the far-right.

波兰保守的法律以及正义党面临激起极右主义的指责。



Corpus Seperatum Aeternum   
Poland's new law criminalizes truth tellers and rewrites history. So how is it any different from Israel's law to censure any mention of the Nakba?

波兰这项新法律把说实话的人定罪，重写历史。这和以色列不让说浩劫(Nakba)有什么不同

judas
"truth tellers" ? who is f...truth tellers?

说真话的？谁特么说的真话？

gmf56
Whilst this will probably just wind up the nationalistic & antisemitic, it does seem to me to be a very fair article on this topic 

这只会激起种族主义吧，在这个话题上我似乎是个公平的作者（后面有个链接）

judas
Whydid you expelled those pour people from England in 1290 ?
The Edictof Expulsion wasa royal decree issued by King EdwardI of England on18 July 1290, expelling all Jews from the Kingdomof England.The expulsion edict remained in force for the rest of the MiddleAges.The edict was not an isolated incident, but the culmination of over200 years of increased persecution.

为什么你排除了那些在1290年被驱逐出英国的人。1290年7月英国皇室颁布了驱逐令，驱逐了几乎所有犹太人。而且这个驱逐令对剩下的中年人仍旧有效。而且不只是这一个事件，迫害持续时间超过了200年

gmf56
Well, if you'd like me to say that I abhor the actions of medi monarchs 700+ years ago, then I'm happy to do so. An awful act, and one that frequently surprised pupils when they learned about it. But it was rescinded when England was a republic under Cromwell in the 17th century, and other discriminatory laws against Jews (& other groups such as Catholics) were abolished in the 19th century. Remember Benjamin Disraeli, born Jewish, was PM in the 1860s & 1870s. It's a shame other European countries were so much later in ridding themselves of antisemitism.

额如果你是说我痛恨700多年前君主的行为那我确实是这样。这么可怕的行为，任何一个学生得知后通常都会惊呆的。但那时是17世纪，英国是处于克伦威尔统治下的共和国，19世纪以来这些针对犹太人的歧视性法律已经逐渐被废掉。想想本杰明·迪斯雷利（犹太人，出生于1804年，在英国当了保守党的政治家），对欧洲其他国家来说这么晚才摆脱反犹太人的行为真是一种耻辱

Arturism
Arturism
Arturism
I understand the slippery slope argument  point that Poland shouldn't be accused of masterminding the death camps/the genocide that occurred in their country - it was obviously the occupying power of Nazi Germany who brutalised the Polish people. However, criminalising the phrase "Polish death camp" feels a bit difficult to enforce, as it is unfortunately geographically accurate regarding location today.  If I wanted to visit unfortunately geographically accurate regarding location to learn about Nazi crimes there, I would have to go to Poland, not Germany (I am grateful to Poland for preserving this memory for the world to learn the lessons of the Holocaust).  I fear it would be very difficult to enforce a ban on a phrase which might be meant in a context of geography, and not intended to confer guilt. The other problem I have is the slippery slope argument - what happens if one wants to research how certain Polishbehaved during the war, including if there were collaborators (i.e. traitors to Poland)? Would this law criminalise this also?

我理解波兰人民不应该被指责说什么要为波兰集中营的事件负责，很明显那都是德国纳粹干的好事。但是，说波兰死亡集中营这样的词就被问罪的话，对我这种想去波兰了解德国纳粹的罪行的人来说，一些议题上比如奥斯威辛 - 比克瑙只能去波兰而不是德国，有些不方便。我觉得不该制定意在定罪的法律。而且还有个问题，如果有人想了解波兰人在战争期间具体的表现，他也会因此而被问罪吗？难免会需要一些被禁的词汇

oneri
German Nazis crimes... you are proof how easy is to forget about that. Especially as German press likes to call Polish nationalists Nazi god knows why...sic!) There was no brutralizing polish people- they weren't working there- only
Poles collaborating with Germans were traitors and it was penatilized.
And...in Poland there is no place called Auswitz-Birkenau. 
That place fully belongs to Germans.
In Poland places have't got German names. 

德国纳粹的监狱，你不知道这有多容易搞混，尤其是德国人喜欢称为波兰纳粹...天知道为什么他们要这么说。波兰人没有参与迫害，他们从未在集中营工作。与德国人合作的波兰人是叛徒，要与波兰人切割开来。而且你说的那个地方（奥斯威辛 - 比克瑙）是在德国，不需要来波兰

We'd need to read the actual legal act, not its interpretation in media. I see it is specific to this phrase describing incorrectly the camps. Any researcher can still investigate specific crimes and behaviors during WWII and share a nationality of offenders. The law was put in place as each year there are 50-100 cases of this historically untrue phrase in TVs and newspapers, even as big as German national TV, ZDF. While the law applies to Poland only anyway, it sends a stronger message how untrue the phrase is.
Mj0979
We'd need to read the actual legal act, not its interpretation in media. I see it is specific to this phrase describing incorrectly the camps. Any researcher can still investigate specific crimes and behaviors during WWII and share a nationality of offenders. The law was put in place as each year there are 50-100 cases of this historically untrue phrase in TVs and newspapers, even as big as German national TV, ZDF. While the law applies to Poland only anyway, it sends a stronger message how untrue the phrase is.

我们还是要看实际上实施的是什么样的条文，而不是媒体上放出来的解释。
我觉得应该具体地描述这些集中营。人们仍可以调查二战里的这些罪行，但是最好能标明犯罪者的国籍。这个法律可以限制一下那些，每年50~100个在报纸甚至是电视上由于用词不正确而造成误解的事件，即使是像German national TV, ZDF这样的大型报纸电视。被波兰大费周折制定出来，这个法律体现了这些词是多么的不准确

Ziggy
Prior to German occupation the Jewish population was being persecuted by the Poles!

在德国占领之前，犹太人就正受到波兰人的迫害！

Mj0979
And while the hostility happened for <20 years in pre-WWII Poland, persecution and killings happened for centuries all over Europe before that, hence following your logic, you blame all Europe, do you? 

然而二战前波兰对犹太人的敌意还不到20年，你看看欧洲其他国家的（后面有个链接）

rectum ludo
Check out the  THE KIELCE POGROM of 1946

看看1946年的波兰基督徒

Aggie
ok what to do with German Death camps? just want to remind you Polish people suffered most, and if you knew the history a bit you would understand that some idiots are in this world, always been, unfortunately few Poles hated Jews and blamed them for the WWII tragedy. but even this tragedy in Kielce was a result of german occupation and that was the result of what GERMANS did to us. if it was no war, if germans didnt invaded Poland, then it would be no KIELCE POGROM!!!!

好吧，那该怎么处理德国集中营？只是想提醒你波兰人承受的重创最多，如果你稍微了解点历史，你就知道世界上就是有些傻瓜，不幸的是，二战里很少有波兰人指责犹太人，这些都是德国的占领造成的，这都是德国人造成的。如果没有战争，如果波兰没有被德国占领，就不会有凯尔尼大屠杀