印尼2019年前关闭所有红灯区 [印尼媒体]

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The closure of the Kalijodo red light district in North and West Jakarta is just one stage in the government’s ambition to close down all 168 such areas across the country by 2019 as part of its efforts to eradicate prostitution.

日前印尼政府关闭了位处雅加达西面及北面的Kalijodo红灯区，这只是印尼政府决心于2019年之前关闭所有168个类似红灯区以根除卖淫嫖娼的其中一步。

The government has already close down 68 red-light districts, while another 100 would be closed down within three years, said Social Affairs Minister Khofifah Indar Parawansa on Monday, adding that the decision was made at the ministry's national working meeting in January.

社会事务部长Khofifah Indar Parawansa周一表示，印尼政府已经关闭了68个红灯区，剩余的100个将于3年内关闭。这个决定是在一月份部门举行的国家工作会议上做出的。


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AnimisticGod 22 hours ago
I am curious.
What happened when an investigating journalist ( let me see, from The BBC, The ABC, The CNN, or The Guardian) , wanted to investigate..
:: The Closing By The Government of ALL red districts.
:: The LGBT rights , and the existence of a Transgender (Islamic) School.
:: The FPI, and other of The same Pedigree government sponsored radicals.
:: The government sponsored made defunct of The Corruption Eradication Commission.
Because all mentioned above are a No-Non-Existence-Governmental issues where I live, but a real domestic problems for The Republic of Indonesia...who try very hard to better its appearances abroad..
Will these kind of research be labelled as haram-investigation?

我挺好奇的。
当一个（来自英国广播公司，美国广播公司，美国有线电视新闻网，或卫报的）调查记者，他会调查些什么呢？
:: 政府关闭了所有的红灯区。
::同性恋者的权利，变性人（伊斯兰）学校的存在。
::捍卫伊斯兰阵线，以及政府所支持的其他类似极端团体。
::政府的赞助导致根除腐败委员会不再起作用。
由于以上所提及的都是我所生活国家的政府切实存在的问题，是印尼国内真正存在的问题，。。。而印尼政府不想在国外丢脸。所以这类调查会遭到禁止吗？

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LUWANTO 3 days ago
Just claptrap and flumadiddle by Minister Khofifah.
She does not know what she is doing? Just idiocy at its best.
LUWANTO
28 Feb 2016

这只是（社会事务部）部长Khofifah的哗众取宠的噱头而已。
她根本不知道自己在干什么，真够白痴的。
 
Betawi Spring 3 days ago
Exactly, former sex workers can now work 14 hours a day stitching clothes for Rp 900.000 a month. Jilbabs will save the world.
 
没错，前性工作者现在可为了每月900.000的卢比，每日缝纫衣服14小时。Jilbabs会拯救世界的。
 
AnimisticGod 23 hours ago
..jilbab will save the world.....not?

··· Jilbabs会拯救世界·····不是吧？
 
Notgoodjoke 3 days ago
And jakarta will have an MRT by 2002

雅加达在2002年才有一个地铁站。（译者：是2012年吧）

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JakartaLogic 4 days ago
Indonesia does not provide decent education to the poor. Until it improves its schools, many people will struggle to find meaningful employment. Prostitution is caused by social inequality and injustice and won't end until there are no more poor people in Indonesia. At this point, the year 3019 would be too optimistic a date for that to happen let alone 2019.

印度尼西亚没有提供足够好的教育给穷人。很多人很难获得一份体面的工作，除非印尼提升自己的教育。妓院的出现是因为社会的不公平、卖淫会继续出现，除非印尼不再有更多的穷人。 从这点来看，2019年消除卖淫实在是太乐观了。
  
ladypurple 4 days ago
good move.. hopefully we will see more people employed without sacrificing their bodies.. are we gonna see alcohol to be banned as well because it's a muslim country? what about corruption? it's been a long battle to "close" corruption conducts.. has been it successful so far?

不错的行动， 希望更多人获得就业而不用牺牲自己的肉体。 我们是不是也该禁止交易酒精？毕竟我们是穆斯林国家。 腐败呢？ 反腐将是场长期战争，到现在为止反腐成功过吗？

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Rendang 3 days ago
they are all very very very very very very good questions... Keep questioning, things will change slowly (ala Indonesian)...

Rendang于3天前发布
他们都是非常非常非常非常非常非常好的问题……保持质疑，事情将会慢慢的改变（我是印度尼西亚人）……
 
Orang biasa 5 days ago
Prostitution is a big global issue due to the connection to the human trafficking. One side is the individual freedom and choice, on the other side is the protection of the weak. Different countries has different approach, most though has it outlawed one way or the other.
The religion has very little, if any, to do with this. The strongest regulation you find in secular countries. In the end, any regulation against prostitution is filled with emotions and judgment against the people in the profession as well as the people using the services.
My personal opinion is similar to smoking and alcohol, keep it away from hurting third parties. If somebody wants to sell or buy, it's their choice.

Orangrang biasa于5天前发布
由于涉及到人口贩卖，所以卖淫是个全球性的大问题。一方面这是个体的自由和选择，另一方面是对弱者的保护。不同的国家采取了不同的办法，但是大部分都将卖淫定性为非法。
宗教的影响与这个问题的关系已经很小了——假如还有的话。你会发现，最强的监管其实在世俗国家里。最后，任何针对卖淫的监管都充满了针对性工作者和性使用者的情绪和判断。
对于这个问题，我的个人观点是和对待香烟和酒精的态度相似的，不要让第三方受到伤害。如果有人想要从事相关的活动，那时他们的选择。

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Gaudeamus Igitur 4 days ago
Problem is that people always get hurt in this business. And where I say people I mean women and children, and where I say always I mean in many cases, more than in any other 'service' job.
This makes it not just a business of sell and demand, but it needs to be regulated heavily.
supply and demand leads to forcing women to work for almost nothing. This is what happened here in Amsterdam in the 90's】

问题是性工作者总是受到伤害。我指的是妇女和小孩，比任何其他服务行业从业人员所受到的伤害都多。
所以这不仅仅只是供给与需求的买卖，应该受到严格的监管。
如果紧靠供给与需求，那么性工作者将一无所获，90年代的阿姆斯特丹就是这样子的。

jaytee 6 days ago
with so many muslims in this country (80% of the population???), it is a wonder that there are so many (168) red light districts across the archipelago, unless of course that their customers are all christians, hindus, buddhists and confucians who are awlays confused (sarc off)

印尼这么多穆斯林（总人口的80%？？？），竟然还有这么多红灯区（168个），除非所有客人都是基督教徒，印度教徒，佛教徒和儒教徒，因为这些人总是很迷惑。（讽刺）

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Betawi Spring 6 days ago
Let's start by prohibiting jilbabs in official government positions.

从禁止政府工作人员穿jilbabs开始

JLC 5 days ago
yes, would be great

是吖，那样最好了。

daninaceh 5 days ago
To what end? Secularism works perfectly fine without trampling on religious freedoms. Denying Muslim women an article of clothing does not enforce secularism, which is seen through good policy rather than attempts to moderate public conscience.
Just because the French or the Turks are that dumb doesn't mean Indonesia needs to be. Works fine enough everywhere else.

为了什么？世俗主义完全可以在不践踏宗教自由的情况下良好运行。禁止穆斯林妇女穿宗教服饰并不能增进世俗主义。世俗主义的实现要通过好的政策而不是通过缓和公共良心。
就因为法国和 土耳其做了蠢事，并不意味着印尼也要这么蠢。

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daninaceh 5 days ago
Cool story, got it, everybody is way more advanced than Indonesia. And what of all the other countries that permit government workers their religious liberty AND are secular?
What then? Oh? Face it, your desires are meanspirited and bigoted.

daninaceh于5天前发布
很棒的故事，我明白了，每个人的想法都比印度尼西亚人先进。而所有其他那些允许政府工作人员拥有宗教信仰自由的世俗国家呢？
然后？哦，直面它吧，你的欲望是卑鄙和偏执的。
 
Betawi Spring 5 days ago
Dan, even Abu Dhabi and Dubai are 1000 times more modern and progressive as Indonesia. No wonder expats call this place a Saudi satellite state. Indonesistan.

 Betawi Spring于5天前发布
Dan,甚至阿布扎比和迪拜都比印度尼西亚现代化和先进了几千倍不止。难怪外国人都称这个地方为沙特的附属国。印度尼斯坦。

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daninaceh 5 days ago
We don't ban religious dress on government workers in my country and few question the secular credentials of my country or any of the other countries that manage to pull it off without the ominous threat of "creeping shari'a."
Face it, your desired action has no proof of efficacy and is born not out of a desire for secularism but out of a meanspirited contempt for Muslims. What a great idea, alienate a population of women from government work!

在我的国家，我们没有禁止政府工作人员穿宗教服装，几乎没有人质疑我国或者任何成功实行这种政策的其他国家是否是世俗的，而且也没有受到“令人毛骨悚然的伊斯兰教法”的威胁。
面对现实吧，你提出的建议根本就没有任何功效，你的提议并非来自世俗主义，而是出于对穆斯林的卑鄙蔑视。你这是为了让妇女远离政府职位吖，真是个好主意呢！

Betawi Spring 5 days ago
Dan, I believe that the KKK don't wear their robes while at their day jobs.

楼上的，当3K党在从事他们的日常活动时，他们有穿那种长袍吗？

Betawi Spring 5 days ago
If muslims exclude themselves from secular society they have only themselves to blame. Before 2002 no woman wore a jilbab.

如果穆斯林把自己排除在世俗社会之外，那么只能怪他们自己。在2002年前，没有妇女穿jilbab。