日本政府称三菱里程数作弊高达16% [日本媒体]

TOKYO —
The Japanese government said Tuesday that Mitsubishi Motors Corp overstated mileage on its vehicles by up to 16%, but stopped short of slapping further penalties on the company.

东京——
日本政府周二称三菱汽车公司夸大了它的车辆行驶里程高达16%，但是未对该公司进行进一步的处罚。

The Transport Ministry said the figure came from its own mileage tests to look into the cheating by the Japanese automaker on its minicar models, tiny cars eligible for tax breaks in Japan and reputed to deliver very good mileage.

日本国土交通省表示，数据来源于它用微型汽车车型进行的检验日本汽车制造商是否作弊的里程测试，在日本，微型汽车适用于税收减免，被认为能够提供良好的行驶里程。

Tokyo-based Mitsubishi Motors acknowledged recently it had systematically inflated mileage for eK minicar models, as well as some other models. But it has said it did not lie on mileage on models sold abroad.

位于东京的三菱汽车公司承认最近它系统性地调高了eK型微型车，同样涉及的还有一些其它车型。但是三菱表示未在海外销售的车型中弄虚作假。

Last month, Nissan Motor Co took a 34% stake in Mitsubishi, promising to help a turnaround. Under a special agreement, Mitsubishi had supplied the models to Nissan, which does not make its own minicars. Nissan’s own tests had uncovered the mileage cheating.

上个月，日产汽车公司取得了三菱34%的股份，承诺帮助三菱公司扭转局面。在一个特殊的协议下，三菱向日产提供微型车型，而不是由自己来生产。日产自己所做的测试中发现了里程作弊行为。

The ministry said the mileage Mitsubishi initially gave was off by an average of 11% and up to 16%. That was close to what Mitsubishi had given when it acknowledged its wrongdoing and released new estimates. Mitsubishi is under orders to submit fixed data to the government.

国土交通省表示三菱起初提交的里程数是11%到16%。这个数据接近三菱承认它的缺德行为并重新估测的数据。三菱是根据订单向政府提交固定的数据。

“We find it deplorable that the actual mileage was so much lower,” Minister Keiichi Ishii told reporters.

“实际里程数这么低，我们对此感到遗憾，”石井启一长官告诉记者。

Mitsubishi Motors said last week that it will give 100,000 yen to each Japanese owner of a car with a false mileage claim to compensate for the extra gas costs and for inflating the mileage figure.

三菱汽车上周表示它将给每一位虚假里程汽车的日本车主100000日元用于补偿额外的天然气开支和虚高的里程数值。

It will take a 50 billion yen charge to cover the mileage-rigging expenses, including for the eK minicar models sold in Japan since 2013, and also for those sold under the Nissan badge.

它将会为虚报里程数而花费500亿日元，补偿车型包括2013年以来在日本卖出的eK型微型车，其中也包括以日产的名义卖出的那些。

Mitsubishi’s latest scandal follows its massive and systematic cover-up of defects that surfaced in the early 2000s, which had spanned decades. The automaker has repeatedly promised to fix its ethical standards. The company’s president has stepped down to take responsibility for the new scandal.

三菱最近的这个丑闻就跟在持续了几十年，在2000年才浮出水面的大规模系统性的缺陷瞒报后面，这家汽车制造商已多次承诺修复它的道德节操。为了对新的丑闻负责，这家公司的社长已辞职。


Droll QuarryJun. 22, 2016 - 07:26AM JST
But..but...but... Japanese cars are so much better than the rest of the world's.... aren't they? I mean in the big scheme of things, what is a few sticky brake pedals, electronic engine control box meltdowns, exploding air bags, defective transmissions. Right?...... hello... hello

但是，，但是，，但是，日本车比世界上其它地方的都要好太多了，，，不是吗？我的意思是在大件上，像是有点无力的刹车踏板、发动机电子控制箱报废、气囊爆炸、有缺陷的传动系统，对吗？....喂....喂

YubaruJun. 22, 2016 - 07:46AM JST
The automaker has repeatedly promised to fix its ethical standards.
Mitsubishi you owe me for a new keyboard! I just spit my coffee on it! Easy to "fix" when you don't have any to begin with.

【这家汽车制造商已多次承诺修复它的道德节操】
三菱你欠我一个新键盘！我刚刚把咖啡吐在了上面！当你没有任何行动开始时，“修复”就很容易。

SenseNotSoCommonJun. 22, 2016 - 07:46AM JST
Japanese government... stopped short of slapping further penalties on the company
hat penalties did they slap on the company, then (if there are no further ones)?
Does the answer rhyme with nun?

【日本政府没有任何进一步的惩罚】
他们对这家公司的惩罚是什么（如果没有进一步的）？
答案圣不圣母？

gogogoJun. 22, 2016 - 08:44AM JST
We cannot believe Mitsubishi car anymore except for special lovers to them. If they had missed our believes even once, it's very difficult to give back for makers.

我们无法对三菱抱有哪怕一丁点儿的信任了，除了他们的发烧粉。哪怕只失去了我们的信任一次，也很难再找回来了

domtoidiJun. 22, 2016 - 08:48AM JST
hahah ... Toyota next month... they all are crooks!

哈哈。。。下个月就轮到丰田了。。。。他们都是骗子！

klausdorthJun. 22, 2016 - 12:43PM JST
What we don't know is how many people in Japan or in the world make a buying decision based on gas mileage (kiloage?).
For all we know, it could be 1%.
Mitsubishi used the best condition test setup as the efficiency, instead of the average of tests. Most of the differences were in the 5-10% range.
These were just K-cars. People buy them to save the shaken and road tax and they are rarely driven for long distances.
Customers didn't complain because no one thought about checking to see if they spent an extra 2 yen per week more than they expected.

我们不知道在日本或者在全世界有多少人基于燃气里程数来做出购买的决定（数十万？）
就我们所知道的，可能有1%。
三菱使用最好的环境测试表现，而不用测试平均值。大部分的差异在5~10%的范围内。
这仅仅是K型车。人们购买它们，为了省心和节省道路税，而且他们很少跑长途。
消费者没有抱怨，因为没有人想到去检查看看他们每个星期多花的两日元是否超出了他们的预期

kohakuebisuJun. 22, 2016 - 09:01AM JST
I agree with domtoidi that people rarely buy cars because of fuel economy. In Japan, I suspect many buy new cars because they look "wakai". Many of the top sellers have blingy bodywork, including top selling keis like the Tanto Custom and Wagon R.
However, cars create pollution that affects everyone and lying about fuel economy (over and above the non-real world testing environment) is lying about pollution. That is unacceptable. Most rival cars are pretty much identical, so fuel economy also becomes one way to split hairs between them.

我同意domtoidi{即楼上那位}的说法，人们很少因为燃油经济性而买车。在日本，我怀疑许多买新车的人是因为他们看起来年轻。许多在售的顶级车型有着闪亮尊贵的车身，包括最畅销的车型，像Tanto Custom和Wagon R。
然而，汽车制造的污染影响每一个人，还有，虚报燃油经济性（高过非真实世界测试环境）就是在到处扔垃圾。这是不可接受的。大多数竞争对手的汽车几乎是一样的，所以燃油经性也就成了在它们中锱铢比较的地方。

Citizen2012Jun. 22, 2016 - 11:01AM JST
What penalties did they slap on the company, then (if there are no further ones)? Does the answer rhyme with nun?
Cheating Japanese Corp and Govt maybe consider a Penalty the truth to be disclosed about your own cheating. The Japanese govt, once again, by doing nothing, shows how much Japanese corporation can cheat and have customers deceived as long as you are running a big brand name.

【他们对这家公司的惩罚是什么（如果没有进一步的）？答案圣不圣母？】
扯谎的日本公司和政府也许认为揭露出你谎言下的真相就是惩罚。日本政府又一次通过不作为展示了日本公司能欺瞒多少事情，而且靠着大品牌的外衣来让消费者受骗。

Tigerta9Jun. 22, 2016 - 02:47PM JST
Oh well, those test-promises.
Using 1 liter of fuel in the tank, driving not faster than 50 km/h, if possible on the highway with a driver weighing in at no more than 60 kg and ask the weather gods to provide winds from behind.
I guess any car can get outstanding results that way.
But how about reality? How about every day commuting? Lucky if you get 20 kilometers per liter!

噢好吧，给定这些测试条件：
用1升的油箱燃油，如果可能的话，让一个不超过60公斤的司机在高速公路上开，同时请求天气之神来场顺风。
我猜任何汽车都能在这种条件下得到出色的结果。
但是现实中呢？每天的上下班呢？一升油能跑20公里就算幸运的了。

5SpeedRacer5Jun. 22, 2016 - 08:34PM JST
IF MMC was a foreign firm they'd be banned for a least a year from selling in Japan as punishment and face stiff financial fines.
Part of that problem is compliance issues or the unwillingness of foreign corporate leaders from lying prostrate though that prevents foreign firms from getting the same preferential treatment I would think.

如果三菱汽车是一家外国公司，他们将会在日本被禁售一年来作为惩罚，而且将会面临经济上的高额罚款。
这个问题的部分原因是是否服从的问题，或者外国公司的领导者即使是被拒绝给予优惠待遇也不愿意跪倒下去，，我想是这样。

MsDeliciousJun. 22, 2016 - 03:01PM JST
A friend of mine was paying off a car loan for his X and it was a Mitsubishi mini. She totaled it, and he still had to pay it off. She took the insurance money and bought another new one. So does this mean she will be getting ￥200,000 while he is still stuck paying off the old one?

我的一个朋友贷款买了一辆三菱迷你。她计算了总共的金额而他仍然必须偿还车贷。她拿保险金买了另一辆新车。所以这是否意味着她将得到200000日元，同时他仍然必须偿还旧的那辆的款项？

mukashiyokattaJun. 23, 2016 - 12:05AM JST
"except for special lovers to them"
Well, you know, thanks for acknowledging that love is blind. It can't read either. And it can't add up mileage figures.
I do in fact own a Mitzi. She tells me she is not involved in this scandal, and I believe her. She has been with me all these years and she hauls. Who cares if she eats a little too much? At least she is low maintenance.

“除了他们的发烧粉”
好吧，你知道的，多亏认识到了这种爱是盲目的。它既让人看不懂，而且也不能增加里程数。
我实际上有一辆三菱。她告诉我她没卷入这场丑闻，而且我相信她。她这么些年一直跟在我身边载着我。谁在乎她是否吃的有点多？至少她的维护成本低。

badsey3Jun. 23, 2016 - 02:03AM JST
Where are the punishments?

相关惩罚在哪里？

Forecast for FY2016 is 962,000 units, a decrease of 8% or 86,000 units over the same period in FY2015. Sales volumes by region are as follows:
Japan: 60,000 units, down 41% or 42,000 units year-on-year
North America: 138,000 units, up 2% or 3,000 units year-on-year
Europe: 187,000 units, down 9% or 19,000 units year-on-year
Asia: 331,000 units, up 3% or 9,000 units year-on-year
Other regions: 246,000 units, down 13% or 37,000 units year-on-year
-They are forecasting a negative profit for FY2016, but I think they will remain (barely) positive and the Takata airbag recalls do not effect them as much. Biggest concern is their dated technology, models and interiors (no Apple CarPlay/Android etc). The Japan downturn in sales is really bad, but Asia will carry them (Philippines etc).

2016财年的预期是962000辆，比2015财年同斯下降了8%或者说是86000辆。各区域销售量如下：
日本：60000，同比下降41%或42000辆
北美：138000辆，同比上升2%或3000辆
欧洲：187000辆，同比下降9%或19000辆
亚洲：331000辆，同比上升3%或9000辆
其它地区：246000辆，同比下隆13%或37000辆
-他们预计2016财年利润为负，但是我认为他们将保持（很少一些）积极的态势，而且高田气囊的召回不会影响他们太多。最大的担忧是他们过时的技术、车型和内饰（没有苹果车载系统/安卓等）。日本的销售低迷确实很糟糕，但是亚洲市场将会支撑起来（菲律宾等）

scoobydooJun. 23, 2016 - 08:56AM JST
Thats about what you expect for the JC08 testing results, so really the whole system is corrupt to start with

这事关你对JC08测试结果的期待，所以实际上整个系统从一开始就是腐败的