森林城市：解决中国空气污染的激进计划 [英国媒体]

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When Stefano Boeri imagines the future of urban China he sees green and lots of it. Office blocks homes and hotels decked from top to toe in a verdant blaze of shrubbery and plant life; a breath of fresh air for metropolises that are choking on a toxic diet of fumes and dust.

当Stefano Boeri想象未来的中国城市，他看到了很多的绿色。办公大楼，住宅和酒店从上到下被灌木丛和植物覆盖；大都市不再被有毒的气体，烟雾以及尘埃包围取而代之的是新鲜的空气。

Last week the Italian architect famed for his tree-clad Bosco Verticale (Vertical Forest) skyscraper complex in Milan unveiled plans for a similar project in the eastern Chinese city of Nanjing.

上周在中国的东部南京市，意大利建筑师公布了一个类似于他在米兰闻名的Bosco Verticale(垂直森林）的项目。

The Chinese equivalent ? Boeri's first in Asia ? will be composed of two neighbouring towers coated with 23 species of tree and more than 2500 cascading shrubs. The structures will reportedly house offices a 247-room luxury hotel a museum and even a green architecture school and are currently under construction set for completion next year.

这座建筑将会有两个相邻的被23种树，2500多层级联灌木的塔组成。据报道，这个建筑将为办公室，一个拥有247个客房的酒店，一个博物馆以及一个绿色建筑学校提供空间，目前正在施工中，预计明年完工。

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But Boeri now has even bolder plans for China: to create entire “forest cities” in a country that has become synonymous with environmental degradation and smog.

不过现在， Boeri有更加庞大、适合中国的计划： 在这个环境恶化和有雾霾的国家建造名副其实的“森林城市”。

'You can taste it in the air': your stories of life in polluted cities

“你甚至可以品尝到空气中的味道。”如果你生活在污染严重的城市里，就会有这样的体验。

“We have been asked to design an entire city where you don't only have one tall building but you have 100 or 200 buildings of different sizes all with trees and plants on the facades” Boeri told the Guardian. “We are working very seriously on designing all the different buildings. I think they will start to build at the end of this year. By 2020 we could imagine having the first forest city in China.”

“我们被要求设计这样一座城市：不但有一座摩天大楼，而且还有100个或200个不同大小的建筑，这些建筑的外墙被树和植物完全覆盖。”Boeri对卫报说，“我们非常认真地设计这些与众不同的建筑。我估计他们会在今年年底开始建造。在2020年，我们可能会看到第一座在中国建成的森林城市。”




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wishuwell 5d ago
Anyone who had had the misfortune to visit London recently will know it is not just the Chinese who have a problem.

每一个最近不幸将要去往伦敦的人会明白伦敦也有严重的空气污染问题。 
 
BeamEcho  wishuwell 5d ago
I know what you mean. I live on a small island on the Pacific ocean. It is a rural community with mostly farms and rain forest. Lots and lots of nature. It is my normal but when I travel to these big cities I can't believe how it smells and how it chokes. I love London but i couldn't live there for long.

我明白你说的情况。我住在太平洋的一个小岛上，那里一派乡村田园景象，到处都是农庄和热带雨林，周围是美丽的大自然。这就是我平时的生活环境，但是当我去那些大城市旅游时，难以置信的是那里空气糟糕，几乎令我透不过气。我喜欢伦敦但是却适应不了长住在那里。 
 
taipingtianguo  wishuwell 5d ago
London is 47% green space. I lived for many years in Beijing and one thing I know is it has very few parks and green spaces. Perhaps we can look to how fabulously Londons green space is cleaning the air....or not. Let's tackle the source and not try to create natural sponges that don't work.

 伦敦的绿化率是47%。我在北京住了多年，我了解到的一个现状是北京的公园和绿地很少。也许我们应该借鉴伦敦建设巨大的绿地来净化空气的经验又或者置之不理。让我们一起有效利用起资源来改善空气环境，避免做无用功。
 
MoveOverGiddeon  BeamEcho 5d ago
Please stop visiting my city your air pollution is killing me.

请不要再来我所在的城市了，你们造成的空气污染正在使我走向死亡。

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ArtVandarlay 5d ago
As an expat who used to live in Shanghai this is how it will play out. Developer spruiks "green" development middle class flock to buy overpriced apartments project gets built owners move in something breaks down in the irrigation system fingers are pointed no one takes the blame developer washes their hands of whole situation plants die architect has egg on his face. Repeat.

 做为一个在上海生活过的外国人，以下是即将发生的场景。开发商们宣传“绿色”发展，中产阶级蜂拥购买昂贵的公寓，项目建好了，买家入住，指责灌溉系统出了问题，没人承担责任，开发商们洗手不干了，植物凋亡，建筑师出了丑。如此反复。
 
Trig Satyr  ArtVandarlay 5d ago
So true. China is only good for mining gold from video games.

很对。中国只对用视频游戏赚钱在行。 
 
shanshuitianqi  ArtVandarlay 5d ago
The how come the many trees and shrubs in the streets and parks don't die with half the year minus rain? Plant the right species they survive on rain alone. Simple.

 在半年的少雨期里，怎么让街道上和公园里的树木和灌木不死亡？栽种仅靠雨水就能存活的品种。就这么简单。
 
Damian Crosby  shanshuitianqi 5d ago
Putting them on the side of buildings is different though. You can't just suck up water from the ground.

把它们种在建筑物上面是完全不同的。你不能从地面上吸收水分。

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Effelumph 5d ago
Singapore has started to do this a bit. I'm not sure if it's to fight pollution (it could be) but aesthetically it's pretty wonderful to begin to see vertical gardens on some high-rise buildings there.

新加坡已经开始这么做了。我不确定是否是为了与污染作斗争，但从美学上讲，在一些高层建筑上看到垂直花园非常美妙。
 
NotIdefix  Effelumph 5d ago
there's a lot that Singapore got right when it comes to city design

谈到城市设计，新加坡很有发言权
 
which begs the question of why other cities aren't following he example....?

那么问题就来了，为什么其他城市不效仿…

BelleVueRendezvous  Effelumph 5d ago
Karlsruhe.

卡尔斯鲁厄（德国西南城市）
 
swanpride  NotIdefix 5d ago 
There are a few German cities which do though the idea there goes more in the direction of having gardens in urban areas and at unusual places so that people can grow their own stuff if they want.

有一些德国城市也在这么做，但是他们主要是在市区或者一些特殊的地方建立花园，这样人们就可以自己种一点东西。

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ID1328975 5d ago 
Give me tree lined streets anyway. Lots of trees. Indigenous trees. Winding strips of forest through the city with foot and cycle paths. No cars.

给我绿树成荫的街道就好。要许多树。本土树种。带有步行道和自行车道，如蜿蜒森林贯穿城市。没有汽车。 

mikedow  ID1328975 4d ago 
That's called a linear park in my locale. A former rail line now The Galloping Goose Trail is 55 km of urban/suburban linear park for easy walking and cycling.

在我们这，就是所谓的带状公园。前身为铁路线，现在叫盖洛珀古斯步道，长55公里，城市/郊区的带状公园，便于步行和骑自行车。

Franciscus Steiner  ID1328975 4d ago 
You would love Odessa (Ukraine). Almost all streets have extremely wide sidewalks with huge trees. An amazing city and easy to visit (and no visa is required).

你会喜欢敖德萨（乌克兰）。几乎所有的街道都有宽阔的人行道和高大的树木。一个神奇的城市和容易拜访（不需签证）。
 
Scott Fitzgerald  ID1328975 3d ago
St.Augustine FLA USofA.

美国佛罗里达州的圣奥古斯丁

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Bokito 5d ago
Yes the air is bad and do let's fix that. And I do love a vertical garden as much as the next ape. But the problem should be tackled right at the source: cars industry and agriculture - not by pasting the Shire all over buildings. The leaves falling from city trees are considered toxic waste. Hiding bad substances in leaves only shifts the problem. This green Gotham nightmare also raises a lot of new sustainability problems in terms of water supply maintenance pest control hygiene...

是啊，空气很糟糕，让我们来解决它吧。 我真的喜爱垂直花园，就像下一个模仿者一样。不过需要解决问题的根源：汽车、工业和农业，而不是把所有建筑都糊满植物。城市里树木的落叶被认为是有毒废物。把有害物质藏在树叶里只是转移了问题。这个绿色哥谭（蝙蝠侠，哥谭市 译者注）噩梦会带来诸多新的持续性问题，例如：供水系统维护、害虫防治、卫生问题····
 
Joy Dot  Bokito 5d ago
shhhh. people dont want to hear that dying greenery gives off high levels of methane...

 嘘...人们不想听到腐败的绿色植物会产生高浓度沼气...
 
poikloik098  Bokito 5d ago
Yep can you imagine the toxic smoke if someone rakes up and burns the fallen leaves?

 是的，如果某个人把落叶聚集成一堆烧掉，你能想象所产生的有毒烟雾吗？
 
FTWftw  Bokito 5d ago
The source is way too many people.

根源是人太多。

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hanspitschke 5d ago
They do not have bad air because there is not enough vegetation but because their industry is not clean. It's like when you are sick but you take shower three times a day hoping that it will help somehow. By all means plant all those trees (it IS a good thing) but that won't solve the problem.

污浊的空气不是因为没有足够的植物，而是因为他们的工业太脏。就像当你生病时每天洗三次澡，希望这能把你的病治好。千方百计的种树（这是个好事）并不能解决问题。
 
bungle666  hanspitschke 4d ago
And there are far far too many people - something which professional commentators always seem a bit reluctant to state.

他们有太多太多的人了，这是那些专业评论员不太愿意提及的事情。
 
meltyman  hanspitschke 3d ago
Exactly. Did the article day anything about the effect of these buildings on particulates?

对。这篇文章有提到这些建筑物对悬浮颗粒物有什么效果吗？

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ID4422636 5d ago
China also suffers from a water deficit and heavily polluted water. These futuristic forest cities are going to be using lots of water.

 中国也遭受到了水资源不足和大量的水污染，这些未来派的森林城市将耗费大量的水资源。
 
undercoverguyzer  ID4422636 5d ago
But they might not need more than rainfall? Planting trees on that scale might even create a high precipitation microclimate from the trees themselves. Though TBH I'm not sure if that is a myth.

或许这些树木仅需要雨水就能活了呢？这么大规模的植树面积甚至可能依靠树木本身创造一个高降水量的微型气候。但是说实话我不知道这个理论是不是真的。
 
taipingtianguo  ID4422636 5d ago
Yes using lots of polluted water.

 是的，用许多受到污染的水
 
taipingtianguo  undercoverguyzer 5d ago
There is barely any rainfall in much of north China even Beijing for ten months a year.

在许多中国北方地区甚至在北京，一年中有10个月几乎没有任何的降水量。

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yoghurt2 5d ago
In Sydney we do the exact opposite. We raze our rural areas to the ground tearing up old growth trees pour concrete and bitumen all over everywhere and put power and infrastructure (apart from public transport of course) in all at huge expense and then what do we do? Zone it for one storey houses. Then we replant a couple of token trees to make it look green and 'sustainable' leaving ourselves with a massive heat island serious storm-water run off issues and a diminishing access to fresh food and water.

在悉尼我们所做的恰恰相反。我们推平郊区的土地，砍伐成熟的老龄树木，在所有地方铺上水泥和沥青，花费巨量资金建设发电厂和基础设施（当然除了公共交通以外），接下来我们干了什么？把整个地区都修满一层的住房。接着我们象征性的种上几棵树，让这里看上去充满绿意，“不断的”带给我们巨大的热岛（热岛效应 译者注），严重的暴雨侵袭，还有新鲜食物和饮水的供给匮乏...
 
FFS.... And that's not just the case for the geniuses in NSW planning either (although it is particularly pronounced in Sydney the car capital of Australia) its endemic in all the capital cities.

这TM的...这不仅仅只是新南威尔士“天才般”的做法（虽然主要是在悉尼，澳大利亚的汽车之都），所有主要城市都流行这么干。
 
ArtVandarlay  yoghurt2 5d ago
Fly into Sydney and you see blue sky suburbs dense with tree cover and clean beaches. Fly into Shanghai and what do you see? Concrete and haze.

去到悉尼，你能看见蓝天，被浓密的树木所覆盖的郊区，还有干净的海滩。去到上海，你会看见什么？水泥和雾霾。