美国严密监视中国海军南海实弹演习（下） [联合国媒体]

US keeps close watch as Chinese navy puts on show of force in live-fire South China Sea drills 

美国严密监视中国海军南海实弹演习（下）



[email protected]******
Good if the yanks bring in all the 3 carrier groups into the China seas and crowd the sea. Just let loose some dilapidated containers in the night to get the job done. Much cheaper that way.

如果美国佬把三支航母编队都部署到中国内海，把中国海都占领就好了。也许趁夜把一些破烂集装箱丢在海里就能达到这个目的了。而且成本更低。

[email protected]******
All Chinese can do is put on a show.... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME CHINA WAS AT WAR....LOL

中国人只能示敌以弱。上次中国参战是在什么时候来着？哈哈。

Tomas Walsh
China is not an aggressive country and only has a defensive military, unlike the US as everyone has mentioned. But, the US and their allies have not forgotten what China did to the US and about 21 other countries during the Korean war. 
With that being said Jamal, at least China can put on a big enough show to force the US to raise their defence budget to over $700 billion. Your country can't even afford to put on a fireworks show.

中国并不是一个进攻性国家，有的也是一支防御性军队，而不像所有人都知道的美国那样对外国虎视眈眈。但美国和它的盟国还没忘记中国在朝鲜战争时期对美国以及其他21个国家做过什么。
如Jamal所说，至少中国有能力迫使美国把自身军事预算提高到7000亿美元，。你的国家甚至连一场焰火表演都放不起。

[email protected]******
China is not an aggressive country, unlike the US, which stars wars all around the world.

中国不是个进攻型国家，不像美国在全球掀起星球大战。

[email protected]******
At least there is a show rather than no show.

有能力秀肌肉总比没能力好。

Da JiBa
This is like a high end KTV in China until someone sings.

就像中国在高端KTV里唱歌，直到有人戳破它的表演。

Davey-Dave
The sea looks so nice and so blue!

这片海洋看起来那么美丽湛蓝。

[email protected]******
Well they better watch closely.... we are no longer tolerant of foreign oppression.

他们最好保持对此严密关注。我们不在容忍来自外界的压迫了。

Sabre01
"Foreign oppression"? The International Tribunal says otherwise. The "Nine Dash Lines" has been declared irrelevant and void and if China is a law abiding and civilized country, it would comply with the will of the International Community. So, no one is "trespassing" but traversing International Territory.
If you're smart, you won't respond with BS about the US doing this or that. We're not talking about the US, we're talking about the PRC!

“外界压迫”？国际法庭对此有话说。“九段线”已经被国际法庭宣布为无关紧要的无效主权声明。如果中国是个遵纪守法的国家就该听从国际社会的意见。因此并不存在所谓的“非法入侵”，只是穿越国际水域而已。
如果你够聪明，就不该对美国所作所为说三道四。我们没再谈美国，说的是中国。

[email protected]******
What authority has the "international tribunal" when it was privately set up and paid for by one party to the dispute without any participation by the other party.

“国际法庭”的制裁由一方私下提出而另一方并没有参与，那么这份制裁又有什么合法性呢？

lorsynan@******
What international community? Please state the white community as the voice of the rest does not count.

哪个国际法庭？该说清楚的是这个法庭白人世界设立的，其他人并不涵盖在内。

AJWONG@******
The Philippines unilaterally brought up its territorial dispute to the PCA for arbitration. The PCA has no jurisdiction over territorial disputes. Western powers are notorious for ignoring international legal verdicts. Even a small country like Israel has ignored an ICJ ruling. Why should China abide by the verdict when Western powers have ignored other international verdicts?

菲律宾单方面将领土争端案提交给这个常设仲裁法庭。而且冲裁法庭本身并没有仲裁领土冲突的权力。西方列强因无视国际法律臭名昭着。甚至连以色列这样的小国都敢无视国际法庭的裁决。既然西方国家自己都无视法庭仲裁为什么要中国遵守？

mindo4matter@******
Don't make me laugh. The ICC is known as the "White Man's Court." There is nothing civilized or international about it.

别搞笑了。国际刑事法院被称为“白人法庭”。它做出的仲裁既不合理也不合法。

Trumped
Notice the timing? China is telling Trump "Bring It on!" 
Keep on watching, Yanks. The show is going to be bigger and better, soon with dual carrier show of force.

注意到时间前后了吗？中国还在给特朗普加油呢。
继续看着吧，美国佬。中国军演规模会越来越大，不久以后就会有两艘航母了。

Da JiBa
You called it Trumped! Its a show.

这是张王牌！也是场实力秀。

Sabre01
I like that - two antiquated, conventionally powered AC vs. 10 Nuclear AC's. The latter armed with an aerial armada twice the size of the PLA Navy consisting of fighters, attack aircraft, anti submarine warfare...
I thought I would try and copy what a wumao would write... Hehehehehehe!

我喜欢这个调调——两艘过时的常规动力航母对抗十艘核动力航母。后者配备的空中力量还两倍于中国，包括一大群战斗机，攻击机和反潜机。
我觉得我也能模仿一下五毛的文风写些评论。哈哈哈。

AJWONG@******
The US can bring all its 10 nuclear ACs to the SCS to exercise its freedom of navigation rights there. Nothing is going to change on the ground. Do you think the Chinese are going to pack and leave the SCS?

美国可以吧十艘核动力航母派到南海以捍卫自由航行的权利。但对陆地上的局势不会有影响。你觉得中国人能打包搬走南海吗？

jamal.tradeing@******
The legitimacy of the CCP rests on its ability to show the chinese people it is powerful and can defeat anyone military.... This is a false naritive spooned by the communist to the chinese... The. Chinese must remember
Even at the peak of Soviet Power Russian could not defeat the Afghan people 
Even at the hight of power Americans could nit. Defeat the Vietnamese
CCP knows it can never defeat anyone with its junk military so keeps projecting power for a home audience
Chinese have a history of surrendering and its in their DNA and chinese can read their history they have not. Invaded anyone or killed people in war

中国执政党的合法性就在于向中国人展示自身的实力以及可以抵抗任何外地入侵。这次军演是中国执政党对中国人的消极实力展示。中国人会记住的。
就算在苏联在强大的时候俄国人也打败不了阿富汗人。
就算在美国人最强大的时候也打败不了越南人。
中国执政党知道凭借自己的垃圾装备打败不了任何一个国家，所以对国内一直表现出积极增加军事预算的假象。中国人骨子里一贯有投降的历史。如果不知道的话可以去翻一番史书。

xiyin@******
Speaking of history, contrasted with China's historical humiliations by Japan and by Western powers over the previous hundred years, poorly equipped Chinese PLA have been successful beating imperialists in the past using guerilla warfare in mountainous, forested terrain, e.g. in WWII against Japanese in Northern China. Through CCP’s campaign of “Aid Korea to resist America” in the 1950s, CCP sent its People's Volunteer Army (PVA) to successfully intervene United Nations forces led by well-equipped US troops and WWII war heroes. As a result, Korean Demilitarized Zone established in the middle of Korean peninsula, with little territorial change at the 38th parallel border since then. Based on the current advancement of Chinese PLA, it's ignorant to believe that any country can survive well in another war with China. So be responsible in your comments. No more nonsense!

说到历史的话，与历史上数百年来中国受到日本和西方列强的欺辱形成鲜明对比的是，装备着简陋武器的中国解放军以游击的形式在山地战丛林战等战场上击败所有帝国主义列强，二战中也在中国北方积极抵抗日本入侵。50年代中国以“抗美援朝”的名义将人民志愿军派往朝鲜成功抵御了在美国领导下装备精良的联合国军。结果是国际社会在朝鲜半岛中部成立了一片非军事区，此后朝韩两国领土在38线的基础上变化不大。鉴于当前解放军精良的装备，认为有国家对中国宣战后还能撑着活下来很无知。所以对自己的言语要负责。别说废话。

lowshencheang@******
Go read your high school history before you write more nonsense about world affair. I bet you can't understand anything in Sunze Art of War.

在你对国际事务写这些无意义的评论前好好看看你的高中历史课本吧。我打赌你根本理解不了孙子兵法。

lbsaw
In the likelihood of an escalating chance of a trade war, the industry supporting the military needs will provide sustainable employment. Aircrafts, vessels, weapons, maintenance work, etc. related to the needs of the military is a big industry. Whether such assets will be put to real use is another story.

在贸易战可能性逐渐增加的前提下，军需相关产业有望提供源源不断的就业。飞机，舰艇，武器，
维修保养等军事相关行业是门大生意啊。至于这些装备是否真会被用到则是另一件事了。

zhezhijian
CCP is the Cancer of China. And China is the Cancer of Asia, which is spreading all over the world. Please make this stop, Mr Trump.

中国执政党是中国的癌症，中国是亚洲癌症还在把癌症传播给全球。特朗普先生请阻止中国吧。

lowshencheang@******
Real cancer are caused by the two nuclear experimental bombs drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilians. Latest cancer causing incident is the thousand gallons of radio active waste from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear power station leak into the Pacific ocean. Before 1949, Asian especially Chibese were second class people with no industry or export to talk about.

真正的癌症是那两颗被投放在广岛长崎平民的核弹引起来的。最近会引起癌症的事故则是福岛核电站数千加仑的放射性废物泄漏到了太平洋。1949年前的亚洲尤其中国还是个没有工业也没有出口的二等国家。

luckychinaleaf@******
Western colonialism failed to bring prosperity to Asia. Japanese invasions of Asia with the idea of “Greater East Asia, Co-Prosperity Sphere”, it was a scam and ended up with ‘Burn All, Kill All, Loot All’ of Asia, 20-50 million Chinese killed in the process. In addition, the Japanese raped hundred of thousand of Chinese and Korean women.
Had the west so kind toward the Chinese, there wouldn’t be any opiums and colonizations and wars and destructions in Asia. Only when China stood up for itself and nukes and ICMBs that peace and stability is restored to Asia.

西方殖民主义并没有给亚洲带来繁荣。日本以“大东亚共荣”的名义入侵亚洲国家，这也是一场彻头彻尾的骗局最终以“三光”结束，期间2000-5000万中国人被屠杀。此外日本人还强奸了成千上百中国朝鲜半岛妇女。
如果西方真对中国友好，他们就不会把鸦片，殖民主义和战争毁灭带到亚洲。当中国站了起来并成功研发核武器和洲际弹道导弹后，亚洲才重归稳定繁荣。

alexlsgoh@******
Americans take note. Your president develops bone spur problems at the first sign of trouble.

美国人你们要知道。你们的总统一发现麻烦就会出骨刺问题（译注：痛不欲生）。

gadgeteer
All I can say is thank goodness China had the patience to wait for it's military to come up to speed before launching the PetroYuan.

我能说的就是感谢中国有耐心等到自身军力崛起后才发布石油人民币。

alexlsgoh@******
America has been living all these years on the Petrol dollar gravy train. Russia and China are getting ready to dump that worthless paper. Their recent show of strength is telling the US not to mess with them. Don't even think of going that way. China and Russia have learnt the lessons of Iraq and Libya well. Strength comes from the barrel of a gun.

美国人这些年一直凭借石油美元坐享其成。俄罗斯和中国已经准备好抛弃美元这张废纸了。最近的军力展示就是在告诉美国不要搞事情。最好也别那么想。中国和俄罗斯已经从伊拉克和利比亚吸取了足够教训。枪杆子里出政权。

bobwong@******
Heck there's more armchair admirals on this board than on CNN.

见鬼，CNN比这里有更多的轮椅键盘侠。

alexlsgoh@******

Can't compare with the number in the WH.
更别提白宫里的键盘侠了。

honeybadger
China has absolutely nothing to worry about from the US and its western allies used to prolonged engagements with rag tags like the Taliban. China however should keep its submarines away from western cowboys as that's really what they want to take a good look at.

中国不需要担心美国及其盟友，因为他们只会玩扶持塔利班这样的小把戏。中国该做的是把自己的潜艇藏好别被西方人发现解密，这才是他们想看的东西。

dage0188@******
In blue water, China will be no match against US but it'll be a different story if they fight in China's backyard. Chinese missiles are tailored to fight wars in SCS. PLAN has 500 ships (including submarines), 160 ships for Coast Guards and 250,000 boats for the 8 million maritime militias.They represent a formidable force to be reckon with. For the US, even operating from 500 miles away from China's coast is a huge risk. I not going to say who's gonna win but it will be definitely a blood path for both sides..barring nuclear war.

在海洋上中国还比不上美国，但如果在中国家门口打仗就又会是另一件事了。中国导弹一直在部署在南海。中国军队也有500多艘舰艇（包括潜艇），160多搜海岸巡逻舰和部署在25万艘船只上的800万民兵。他们代表的是一股不可抵挡的力量。对美国来说从中国海岸500英里外路过也很危险。我也说不清楚谁能赢，但在禁止核战的前提下对双方来说绝对是场血战。

Snorlax2468
China's people to our governments: BUILD MORE! MUCH MORE! Our military must be commensurate with our economic weight. We must not forget the lessons of the 19th century. We will protect the motherland with modern weapons. If any imperialist power comes to East Asia again and invade any country in our neighborhood, China should be prepare to deal a humiliating defeat to that imperialist power. We must understand that as the biggest country in Asia, peace in our region requires unquestionable strength of China. We are the biggest industrial power in the world now. We will use our industrial strength to build all the weapons we need to defend ourselves and our region.

中国人对政府的要求是：造更多的武器装备！越多越好！我们的军事实力必须与我们的经济规模相一致。我们绝不能忘记19世纪受的教训，必须用现代化武器保卫祖国母亲。如果任何帝国主义列强再次入侵东亚邻国，中国应该准备好向列强讨回那笔血债。我们必须认识到作为亚洲最大国家，一个和平的亚洲少不了中国的参与。我们现在已经是世界最大工业国。我们将来会用所有工业实力建造任何能保卫母国和地区安全的武器。

Da JiBa
Your daughter is crying. Please change her diapers and get off PS2, call of duty.

你女儿在哭泣。放下游戏机给她换个尿布把。

Fi
If China wants to steal, that's their choice in life. Go ahead and steal. Just don't try to justify it and make it something other than stealing. If you take someones property without giving them their due. You're stealing. End of discussion. No need for more excuses for the theft.

如果中国想偷东西就让他们偷吧。去吧随便偷。只要别合法化偷窃行为就好。如果你无偿拿走了他人东西你就在偷。这毋庸置疑。别给偷窃找借口。

iswhiteright@******
After stealing all the treasures from the Chinese Summer Palace and the continents from the native Australians and Americans, the White men do not want to talk anymore about theft.

在盗走所有颐和园，澳洲和美洲大陆的财宝后白人最不想提的就是偷窃。

lowshencheang@******
If it was not stealing, how European able to form colonies and even nation in Indian and aboriginal land in Indian pacific, north America? What about all the stolen Asian artifacts in wester museum? You are talking through the wrong end.

如果这不是偷窃，欧洲人是怎么殖民印度和北美印第安土着的？那些摆在韦斯特博物馆里的亚洲文物是哪来的？你说的完全驴唇不对马嘴。

naptsar@******
Yes, steal like the British. They are famous for that.

是的，英国人以偷窃闻名。他们早就臭名远扬了。

ritmodeltoro@******
Oh My goodnes ;
China is being hit from all sides .
Trade war 
South Chia sea War
Taiwan War
North Korea war.
USA is only war and nothing else

我的老天爷啊：
中国受到各方面的打击。
贸易战
南海争端
台湾战争
朝鲜战争
美国除了战争一无所长

gadgeteer
Understand that the real driver for all the above is what the US is being hit with : the PetroYuan

要认识到美国这么做的真正驱动力是：石油美元。

runruntannet99@******
Just like your beloved India facing similar situations.

你热爱的印度也面临类似的问题。

e53e54
US aircraft carriers should base in Hong Kong

美国航母应该停靠在香港。

iswhiteright@******
Yes, the US should send its carriers to any Chinese territory without permission and see if China will just do nothing.

是的，美国应该把航母随便停靠在中国领土上，看他们会有什么反应。

ghichi2000@******
South China Sea looks like the weakness of China politics. There is a sentence of the International Court of Justice that state that China has no legal territorial rights on South China Sea. This obvious sentence should put an end to the question. If China wants to make drills in that sea, why not agree a solution with the other countries of that area?

南海看来是中国政治的软肋。国际法庭宣判中国对南海领土主张无效。这一仲裁给南海争端画下了问好。如果中国想在那片海洋军演，为什么不寻求其他国家的许可？

iswhiteright@******
Don't spread fake news. When has the ICJ ever ruled on the SCS?

别传假新闻了。国际法庭什么时候有资格管南海了？

johnyip21@******
Court of kangaroo played by US warmonger , do you think China easy to be trapped by it ? it's hypocritical lie by US ! even US is not a signatory of UNCLOS and so not quality to speak on this !
你觉得中国人会被美国人扶持的傀儡法庭冲裁案困住吗？这只是美国撒的谎而已。美国甚至不是国际海洋法公约的缔约国，有什么资格谈海洋领土争端！

gadgeteer
China refused to not even participate in that court, it ruled in its total absence. Furthermore, the US refuses to even ratify UNCLOS. The whole ruling was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

中国拒绝参与这项仲裁案，这项仲裁是在中国完全缺席的情况下通过的。此外美国拒绝批准加入国际海洋法公约。整个仲裁只是个噱头而已。

Nameless
Wrong. Permanent Court of Arbitration is not the United Nation's International Court of Justice nor the United Nation's International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea. PCA is a member funded organization established in 1899 during the first Hague Peace Conference, to help settle disputed between entities: public, private, & sovereign.

错了。做出仲裁的常设仲裁法院不是联合国国际法院，也不是联合国国际海洋法法庭。只是个1899年在荷兰海牙和评议会期间成立的受成员国资助的法庭，目的是帮助解决各种实体间的争端：公权争端，私权争端以及主权争端。

clive.stepanek@******
The PCA is the designated site of arbitration under UNCLOS when one or both parties can not agree on the site of arbitration. Please don’t obfuscate the matter. 
The Philippines was correct to initiate the case at the PCA when China could not agree, or rather would not agree, on where they wanted the case to be heard.

常设仲裁法院是“国际海洋法公约”的指定仲裁地点，当一方或双方不能就仲裁地点达成协议时解决争端。请不要混淆两件事。菲律宾的行为是合法的。 

songbill
Nonsense cliy, there is a reason why it is called an Arbitration Court. It is there to arbitrate between two "participating" parties. And it has no jurisdiction on sovereignty nor related to the UN.

无稽之谈，它之所以被称为仲裁法院是有原因的。它只在当事双方之间进行仲裁，对主权没有管辖权，也没有与联合国有关的管辖权。

lche059@******
wow 3 carrier strike group in south china sea? really? vs. china's 40 ships fleet + DF21s who wins? what else could china do in response? to put nuke in hainan? or restart island making? interesting.

哇，三支航母编队袭击部署在南海？真的吗？和中国4多艘舰艇和 DF21作战谁能赢？中国还能做什么回应？核爆海南？或者进行岛屿抵抗作战？真有意思。

Changry
One US carrier strike group consist of an aircraft carrier, 1+ cruisers, 2+ destroyers, a carrier air wing of 70 aircraft, submarines, logistics ships and supply ships. Three carrier strike groups would have no problem with whatever the Chinese could throw at them. 

一支美国航母编队由一艘航母，一艘巡洋舰，两艘驱逐舰，79架舰载机，潜艇以及后勤补给船只。三支舰队足够应对中国了。

Da JiBa
Those islands dont move and can be hit 2k miles away. Whats your point.

这些岛屿又动不了，可以在2000英里外袭击。这就是你的观点吧。
songbill

Chgy, China can throw one DF21D missile at them each and They will be artificial reef for diving later.
Did you ever wonder why China could bring those islands and the US only sits there and whines??

中国可以向每艘舰艇仍一颗 DF21，让他们变成人工礁石。
你有没有想过为什么中国能占据这鞋岛屿而美国只能看着？

runruntannet99@******
Send an underwater drone with a tactical nuke and detonate under the 3 CBGs to flip them over.

派遣一架带有战术核弹的水下无人机在水下引爆就能把海岛炸翻。

c777
Quantity over quality? Quality backed by 80+ years of carrier experience vs. barely 2 years carrier experience based on 70's technology, no contest.

数量胜过质量？有80多年航母运营经验的美国对抗只有两年航母运营经验的中国，根本没有对比性。

lowshencheang@******
Blind faith in past historical event does not help in real competency in running vessels into each other. The biggest lost of US naval vessel is running into each other or innocent merchant ships.

死抱着过去的盲目信心并不会对当前局势有什么帮助。美国海军舰艇最大的损失就会是撞上对方商船。

songbill
But c77, who said the Chinese carrier is there to fight the US carriers?? That will be too inefficient. Ever heard of DF21D anti-ship ballistic missiles?

但是c777，谁说中国航母去那里是去和美国航母作战的？这太低效了。听说过DF21D反舰弹道导弹吗？

lche059@******
last time they met in korea, i think quantity did alright against quality. and how did the quality work out in afghan?

上次他们打仗还是在朝鲜半岛。我觉得数量确实可以击败质量。而且质量真有用的话美军怎么会在阿富汗战场上一败涂地？