巴基斯坦空军和中国开启新项目，发展下一代飞机和子系统 [巴基斯坦媒体]

PAF and China starting a new project under CPEC; developing next generation aircrafts and subsystems

巴基斯坦空军和中国开启新项目，发展下一代飞机和子系统



According to the undisclosed proposal drawn up by the Pakistani Air Force and Chinese officials at the start of the year, a special economic zone under CPEC would be created in Pakistan to produce a new generation of fighter jets. For the first time, navigation systems, radar systems and onboard weapons would be built jointly by the countries at factories in Pakistan.
The proposal, confirmed by officials at the Ministry of Planning and Development, would expand China and Pakistan’s current cooperation on the JF-17 fighter jet, which is assembled at Pakistan’s military-run Kamra Aeronautical Complex in Punjab Province. The Chinese-designed jets have given Pakistan an alternative to the American-built F-16 fighters.
China’s ‘Belt and Road’ Plan in Pakistan Takes a Military Turn

根据巴基斯坦空军和中国官员今年初提出的一项未披露的提议，巴基斯坦将在中巴经济走廊项目下建立一个经济特区，以生产新一代战斗机。两国将首次在巴基斯坦的工厂共同建造导航系统、雷达系统和机载武器。
该提议得到巴基斯坦规划和发展部官员的证实，将扩大中巴目前在JF-17战斗机上的合作。JF-17战斗机是在巴基斯坦军方经营的旁遮普省卡姆拉航空航空基地组装的。这款中国设计的战机为巴基斯坦提供了一种替代美国制造的F-16战斗机的选项。
以上来自纽约时报【中国在巴基斯坦的一带一路计划转向军用】一文中的段落

Surya 1
FULL MEMBER
Congratulations. Any idea which generation that plane will be?

太好了，有谁知道是第几代的飞机吗？

ZY-CN-CA
FULL MEMBER
just gusse mabye is JF-18 =(J20+J31)?

我猜可能是JF-18 =(J20+J31)?

GIANTsasquatch
SENIOR MEMBER
JF-17 is 3rd generation so now finally they will kick off something that is 4th gen. Still lagging behind however

JF-17是3代机，所以现在终于要开始弄4代机了。然而还是落后。

mingle
FULL MEMBER
It's Chinese 3rd Generation equal to western 4th Generation both sides have different nomenclature.
Should be 5th Gen plus J10C too let's see fingers crossed CAC or SAC not gona come to Pak unless we have new projects in mind JF17 is running smooth so it's not about him it's J10C plus fith Gen.

中国的3代机相当于西方的4代机，双方命名不同而已。
应该是5代机+ J10C。希望成飞或者沈飞别来巴基斯坦，除非我们在考虑新的项目。JF17项目进行得很顺利，所以不是关于JF17的。是J10C加5代机。

Bilal Khan (Quwa)
SENIOR MEMBER
So is CAC coming to town?

所以成飞要来了吗？

mingle
FULL MEMBER
Make sense for 5th Gen. if CAC is coming We should expect J10C too then?

对5代机有意义。如果成飞要来那我们要期待J10C吗？

Maxpane
SENIOR MEMBER
Good news if its true

如果是真的话就太好了

Rafi
ELITE MEMBER
Our relationship in all fields of power has become strategic, diplomatically, economic, militarily.

两国在各个领域如外交、经济、军事领域的关系都变得有战略性了。

BRAVO_
FULL MEMBER
【Rafi said: ↑
Our relationship in all fields of power has become strategic, diplomatically, economic, militarily. 】
yep and it is logical ... both countries have mutual interests with its growing population and to sustain the growth in its economy, china need access to new markets in a shortest spam of time while the opposition is trying to curtail chines access through controlling the sea routs for example America has stationed more than 53,000 solders in Japan more than 26 thousand in Korea and list goes on, i was reading yesterday news about indian 1.4 billion $ package for Maldives to keep her away from chines influence, on the other hand in afghanistan america is trying to create instability in china, so in all this mess the one country china can count for is Pakistan both have time tested relation and a most of all a respect of people towards eachother, so no meter what govt is in power in pakistan this relation keep continue as usual since the roots are very deep

回楼上
是的，这很符合逻辑……随着不断增长的人口以及维持经济的增长，两国有着共同利益，中国需要在最短的时间内进入新的市场，而反对者正试图通过控制海上航道来限制中国的进入。例如美国有超过5.3万名士兵驻扎在日本，有超过2.6万名士兵驻扎在韩国，例子还有很多。我昨天看新闻，说印度向马尔代夫提供14亿美元援助，目的是让马尔代夫远离中国的影响。另一方面，在阿富汗，美国试图扰乱中国。因此，在所有这些混乱中，中国可以指望的一个国家是巴基斯坦，两国的关系都经受了时间的考验，最重要的是人民相互尊重，所以在巴基斯坦无论哪个政府掌权，都会像以前一样把这种关系维持下去，因为这种关系的根源非常深。

mzain
FULL MEMBER
I don't like CAC itself come to Pakistan and create something for PAF rather it should be CAC & PAC cooperation that should strengthen PAC & Pakistan.

我不希望成飞本身来巴基斯坦然后为巴基斯坦空军生产东西，我宁愿成飞和巴基斯坦空军合作，这样可以加强巴基斯坦和空军。

khansaheeb
SENIOR MEMBER
It's a joint collaboration, so even if CAC will be there it will have lots of Pakistani scientists and engineers.

这是一项联合合作，所以即使成飞来，也会有很多巴基斯坦科学家和工程师参与。

Foxtrot Delta
FULL MEMBER
Hmm why are they linking it to CPEC? Its a different programme bilateral military project, similar to the submarine deal, jf 17, mbt 3000, FD 2000 anti ballistiv missile defence, nuclear programme and space programme. I don't think its CPEC

纽约时报为什么要把这些项目和中巴经济走廊联系在一起？这是一个不同的双边军事项目，类似于潜艇协议，JF17, MBT3000, FD2000反弹道导弹防御，核项目和太空项目。我不认为这属于中巴经济走廊项目。

graphican
ELITE MEMBER
Hi Guys,
This article from Urdu Point is saying a next fighter jet program on the lines of JF-17 is decided between Pakistan and China. Urdu point is not a resource for defence news, but logic says after the success of JF-17 model, the model would be repeated.
Pakistan's relationship with USA is on the downslide and will be so, for a foreseeable future. USA needs Pakistan to sustain in Afghanistan - a fact, but Pakistan stands in the way of US designs in South Asia. No matter what Pakistan does it will never be enough for their stand-point. USA has picked its ally in south Asia and it is not Pakistan and cannot be Pakistan. That means Pakistan will have to shift its focus from USA to elsewhere. Russia is not proving itself reliable enough and because of its money compulsions, it will keep taking a step forward and a step backwards from Pakistan's stand point. We cannot blame them for not fully siding with us.
The only country that is continuously and reliably standing with us is the country with beautiful red flag - and it won't be a surprise that Pakistan goes "all in" with China and stop looking towards Russia, USA and other suppliers for its defence needs.
If this happens, Pakistan may diversify "in-wards" and "outwards towards China". That means "self reliance" and "Reliance together with China" are the two logical models it may go for.

兄弟们，有篇在Urdu Point网站上的文章说巴基斯坦和中国决定在JF-17线上进行下一个战斗机项目。Urdu Point不是一个以国防新闻为主的网站，但从逻辑上说，在与中国合作的JF-17模式成功后，这一模式应该会继续下去。
巴基斯坦与美国的关系正在走下坡路，在可预见的将来也将如此。美国需要巴基斯坦在阿富汗维持下去——这是事实，但巴基斯坦阻碍了美国在南亚的计划。无论巴基斯坦做什么，都无法满足美国的需求。美国选定了在南亚的盟友，不是巴基斯坦，也不可能是巴基斯坦。这意味着巴基斯坦将不得不把注意力从美国转移到其他国家。俄罗斯没能证明自己的可靠性，而且由于它对金钱的渴望，它对巴基斯坦的立场将持续摇摆。我们不能责怪它没有完全站在我们一边。

唯一能够持续和可靠地与我们站在一起的国家就是中国，毫无疑问，巴基斯坦将继续与中国齐心协力，不再指望俄罗斯、美国和其他供应商来满足我们的防务需求了。如果这种情况发生，巴基斯坦可能会走两条路，内部自力更生，外部与中国互相依靠，两条路并行。
（新闻是乌尔都语）

Cookie Monster
FULL MEMBER
Though I'm not sure about the authenticity of UrduPoint's article about defense matters. I think it might be loosely based on that article by NYTimes.
According to that article a Special Economic Zone is to be setup where Pakistan will produce subsystems such as "navigation systems, radar systems and onboard weapons." Since Pak's next gen fighter is at least more than a decade away to even take shape, I think this process of Pak domestically producing subsystems like radars might start with JF17 Block III. Pak would probably start manufacturing the subsystems domestically under license and with help of Chinese. This would allow for these industrial capabilities to mature enough for them to play a part in the next gen fighter development.
I'm hoping that in addition to China, Pak will invite Turkey, South Africa, Ukraine, Russia, South Korea, Indonesia, and even European countries to set up shop(as joint ventures) in this SEZ if possible. This would provide a great leap forward for Pak to diversify its defense equipment and in forming a robust domestic defense industry.

我不确定UrduPoint那篇文章的真实性。我想它可能是基于纽约时报那篇文章的。
根据这篇文章，巴基斯坦将建立一个经济特区，在那里生产“导航系统、雷达系统和机载武器”等子系统。由于巴基斯坦的下一代战斗机至少还需要十多年的时间才能成型，我认为巴基斯坦在国内生产雷达等子系统的过程可能从JF17 Block III开始。巴基斯坦可能会在中国的帮助下和许可下开始在国内制造子系统。这将使国内工业能力成长到足以在开发下一代战斗机中发挥作用。
如果可能的话，我希望除了中国之外，巴基斯坦将邀请土耳其、南非、乌克兰、俄罗斯、韩国、印度尼西亚甚至欧洲国家在这个经济特区设立合资企业。这将为巴基斯坦国防装备的多样化和国防工业的蓬勃发展提供一个巨大的飞跃。