中国的导弹可能削弱印度海军对巴基斯坦的布拉莫斯优势 [巴基斯坦媒体]

Chinese Missile To Pak Could Dent Navy's BrahMos Advantage

中国的导弹可能削弱印度海军对巴基斯坦的布拉莫斯优势



NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS
Chinese missile CM-302 is capable of flying at thrice the speed of sound
It matches both the supersonic speed, range of Indian Navy's BrahMos
News of possible Pak acquisition of YJ-12/CM-302 broke late last month

新德里消息:
要点
1 中国导弹CM-302能够以三倍音速飞行
2 它的速度和射程与印度海军的布拉莫斯导弹相当
3 上个月底，巴基斯坦可能收购YJ-12/CM-302的消息传出。

A game-changing Chinese anti-ship missile, capable of flying at three times the speed of sound, could erode a key missile advantage the Indian Navy has enjoyed over the Pakistani Navy since 2005.

一种能够以三倍音速飞行、改变游戏规则的中国反舰导弹，可能会削弱印度海军自2005年以来对巴基斯坦海军的导弹优势。

An export variant of the YJ-12 missile, the CM-302, is likely to be the primary weapon on board four new Chinese frigates being built for the Pakistan Navy at the Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard in Shanghai.

CM-302是YJ-12导弹的一种出口改型，可能是在上海沪东-中华造船厂为巴基斯坦海军建造的四艘新护卫舰上的主要武器。

The CM-302 matches both the supersonic speed and the range of the Indian Navy's BrahMos anti-ship cruise missiles, which have been deployed on several front-line frigates and destroyers of the Navy.

CM-302的速度和射程与印度海军布拉莫斯巡航导弹相当，后者已经部署在海军的几艘前线护卫舰和驱逐舰上。

Senior defence officials monitoring the sale of new generation Chinese Type 054 frigates to Pakistan have told NDTV that the ships are likely to come armed with the CM-302, which they identify as a "new threat which represents a new capability."

负责监督中国向巴基斯坦出售新一代054型护卫舰的高级国防官员告诉NDTV，这些护卫舰可能配备CM-302，他们认为这是一种“代表新能力的新威胁”。 他们认为CM-302是一种“代表新能力的新威胁”。

But these officers also tell NDTV that "there is a long way to go for these missiles to become a credible threat for the Indian Navy" since the Pakistan Navy still lacks long-range sensors which need to target Indian platforms before a CM-302 can actually be fired.

但这些官员还告诉NDTV，“要让这些导弹成为印度海军的致命威胁，还有很长的路要走”，因为巴基斯坦海军仍然缺乏在CM-302发射之前能够瞄准印度目标的远程探测器。

"Possessing accurate targeting data, surveillance capability, and having the ability to penetrate a dense [Indian Navy] electronic counter-measures environment are a part of a complex matrix" that the Pakistan Navy's new frigates would need to overcome before they can attempt a missile launch.

“拥有精确的目标数据、监视能力，以及渗透(印度海军)密集电子对抗环境的能力”，巴基斯坦海军的新护卫舰在尝试导弹发射之前，需要克服这些问题。

Still, the acquisition of the CM-302 onboard the new Chinese-built frigates that will be inducted from 2021 means a lethal new capability for the Pakistan Navy.

尽管如此，获得搭载在中国建造的新型护卫舰上的CM-302意味着巴基斯坦海军将拥有致命的新能力，新艘护卫舰将于2021年服役。

According to globalsecurity.org, a leading online resource of emerging military threats, "the highlight of the YJ-12 is not its range but speed. It can reach 'Double Three' or 'Double Four,' namely a range of 300 kilometres at Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound) or a range of 400 kilometres at Mach 4."

据全球安全组织称，“YJ-12的亮点不是它的射程而是速度。它可以达到‘双3’或‘双4’，即以3马赫速度飞行300公里(音速的3倍)，以4马赫速度飞行400公里。”

It is unclear if the Barak 8 Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM), deployed on India's newest Kolkata Class destroyers, have the ability to intercept a missile of this class. In response to a query from NDTV, senior Navy officers declined comment on whether the Barak 8 system has been test-fired against any supersonic anti-ship missile, let alone a missile that flies faster than Mach 2.

目前还不清楚部署在印度最新的加尔各答级驱逐舰上的巴拉克8型远程对空导弹是否有能力拦截CM-302。在回答NDTV的提问时，海军高级官员拒绝就巴拉克8型导弹是否曾测试拦截过超音速反舰导弹发表评论，更不用说拦截速度超过2马赫的导弹了。

In an article in warontherocks.com, Robert Haddick, an independent contractor at the US Specials Operations Command, has said "the YJ-12 is the most dangerous anti-ship missile China has produced."

在warontherocks.com网站的一篇文章中，美国特种作战司令部的独立承包商罗伯特•哈迪克说:“YJ-12是中国已生产的最危险的反舰导弹。”

According to Mr Haddick, "the arrival of the YJ-12 is one more indication of how the US Navy is falling further behind in the missile competition against China, exposing flaws in operating concepts that US and allied commanders and policymakers have relied on for years."

哈迪克表示:“YJ-12的出现再次表明，美国海军在与中国的导弹竞争中越来越落后，暴露出美国及其盟国指挥官和决策者多年来一直依赖的作战理念存在缺陷。”

313ghazi
SENIOR MEMBER
At Mach 4, it could hit something 400km away in just under 5 minutes. Our AWACS can detect a plane at 400km, shouldn't be too hard to pick up a ship at that range.

以4马赫的速度，它可以在5分钟内击中400公里外的物体。我们的预警机能在400公里外探测到飞机，在这个范围内探测到一艘船应该不难。

Basel
SENIOR MEMBER
The IN is in over confidence which is better, they fail to acknowledge that PN is also boosting its long range detection, tracking and engaging capabilities and in NCW conditions IN will find very hard to have sea control in Arabian Sea.

印度海军过度自信了，这更好，他们没有承认巴基斯坦海军的远程探测、跟踪和交战能力增强了，在网络中心战的情况下，印度海军会发现他们很难控制阿拉伯海。

hussain0216
ELITE MEMBER
It is vital Pakistan keeps increasing its military arsenal to ensure security
Chinese have been superb, as they spend more developing their military, Pakistan has so many options and choices

巴基斯坦继续增加其军事武库对确保国家安全来说至关重要。
中国人表现得很好，因为他们花费大力气发展军事，让巴基斯坦有了很多选择。

Kao Boy
FULL MEMBER
Pakistan Navy still has long way to go to match the Naval Prowess of India. They should focus more on transfer of technology to avoid dependency and debt from China.

想跟印度海军比，巴基斯坦海军还差得远。巴基斯坦应该更多地关注技术转让，以避免依赖中国，避免背上中国的债务。

TOPGUN
PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST
Pakistan Navy is not trying to nor ever can match the indian mighty navy rather is finally getting the attention it needed for years and as its responsibilities have now grown but in a few years it will be a very potent navy.

巴基斯坦海军没想和强大的印度海军比，也比不上。但是现在终于获得了所需要的关注，海军的职责已经增加，几年后，它将变成强有力的海军。

faithfulguy
ELITE MEMBER
Its sad that India is being a bully to its neighbors. This is unnecessarily cause huge increases in South Asia's regional defense spending. India should focus on securing its streets so women are safe, building toilets, roads and other infrastructure development instead of obstructing others growth such as opposing CPEC.

令人遗憾的是，印度现在成为了地区恶霸，这导致南亚地区国防开支的大幅增加。印度应该把精力放在保护街道安全上，让妇女安全，修建厕所、道路和其他基础设施，而不是阻碍其他国家的增长——比如反对中巴经济走廊。

Kao Boy
FULL MEMBER
My intention was more about being future ready to counter ever growing debt and influence from China. In any scenario Pakistani Navy has to be prepared with state of the art arsenal but it should be not at the cost of losing voice in front of china but rather by making wise decision to deal with equipment suppliers likes of China and Russia

我的意思是要为未来做好准备，对抗不断增长的债务和来自中国的影响力。在任何情况下，巴基斯坦海军都必须准备好最先进的武器，但这不应以在中国面前失去话语权为代价，与中国和俄罗斯等设备供应商打交道时，应仔细权衡。

Imad.Khan
SENIOR MEMBER
Hmmm i seriously wonder if both Pakistan and India are both being taken on a ride. Pakistan spends big bucks and gets new weaponry, to counter that India spends big bucks and buys new weaponry, then to counter that Pakistan spends big bucks.........................its a vicious circle and other countries are profiteering

我很想知道巴基斯坦和印度是否都上当了。巴基斯坦花大钱买新武器，印度为了对抗也花大钱买新武器，然后巴基斯坦为了对抗再花大钱……这是一个恶性循环，其他国家都在牟取暴利

khansaheeb
SENIOR MEMBER
That's the nature of an arms race. Perpetual cycle of insecurity and threat that the other side has better weapons so you must continuously upgrade.

这就是军备竞赛的本质。不安和威胁的永久循环，当对方有更好的武器时，你就必须不断升级。

maximuswarrior
SENIOR MEMBER
The question is who started it? We should count ourselves lucky we have an ally like China. When the world boycotts, vilifies Pakistan and sells advanced weapons to India there is only one country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Pakistan. You guessed it right. It is China. When the world applies economic sanctions against Pakistan, China stands shoulder to shoulder and invests billions of dollars. Today their rear is on fire and they caution Pakistan against debt trap LOL We show them a massive middle finger. We will do whatever we feel like doing. We will put Pakistan first and nobody can do shit about that. They can cry rivers. Fvck the duplicity. In the jungle the tiger, lion and crocodile doesn't discriminate between a baby, adult or gender. If the animal is hungry he hunts and tears apart the tasty meal. That is how the world works. There is no such thing as fair play or justice. We will adapt and we will show all the enemies that there are no more free lunches. As for the missile. Very beautiful and tasty. It is poetry. May we get many many more.

问题是这样的循环是谁开的头？我们应该庆幸有像中国这样的盟友。当世界抵制、诋毁巴基斯坦、向印度出售先进武器时，只有一个国家与巴基斯坦肩并肩。没错，就是中国。当世界对巴基斯坦实施经济制裁时，中国站在巴基斯坦一边，并投入了数十亿美元。如今印度的背后着火了，却来警告巴基斯坦小心债务陷阱…呵呵，竖中指给他们。我们愿意做什么就做什么。我们会把巴基斯坦放在第一位，没人能干涉。

在丛林里，老虎、狮子和鳄鱼不会区分婴儿、成人或性别。当它们饿了，它们就会去狩猎，撕开美味的食物。世界就是这样的。没有公平竞争或正义这回事。我们会适应，我们会让所有的敌人知道，天下没有免费的午餐了。
至于导弹，非常棒，希望我们能得到更多。

Imad.Khan
SENIOR MEMBER
What i have learnt from history so far is that US make allies based on its own interest, once it has achieved its objectives it throws the ally under the bus. Currently US wants to use India to counter China and also wants a big piece of the Indian arms expenditure pie.

到目前为止，我从历史中学到的是，美国是根据自己的利益结交盟友的，一旦实现了自己的目标，它就会把盟友踢开。目前，美国希望利用印度来对抗中国，也想从印度的军备开支中分得一杯羹。

FuturePAF
FULL MEMBER
Maybe the next PN acquisition has to be something like the （new compact ship-based Chinese OTH Radar）
Straight out of today headlines as if to answer our need and answer the specific Indian challenge. "Chinese navy’s new ‘compact’ radar will allow it to keep watch over an area the size of India"
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/ ... r?edition=hong-kong

也许下次巴基斯坦海军购买的是【新闻：中国新型舰载超视距雷达】之类的东西。
今天的头条新闻中，似乎明确的回答了我们的需求，回答了印度面临的挑战。——【 新闻：中国海军的新型雷达能够监视印度那么大的区域。】

GumNaam
SENIOR MEMBER
Thanks to the CK400 AshM, the brahmos never had any edge to begin and now, whatever little breathing space it had left is REALLY gone.

多亏了CK400反舰导弹，布拉莫斯从开始到现在就没取得过什么优势。而现在，不管它曾经是否有过一点小小的优势，现在都消失了。

FuturePAF
FULL MEMBER
Yes and No. While our offensive capabilities will now match (if we can carry as many missiles as the enemy), will the Type 054P match in terms of Defense; Air defense missiles? We need the 70km Extended range Ly-80B
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blo ... surface-to-air.html
Not just its range, but hopefully it has a similar dual pulse motor to maximize its kill probability, due to conserving energy for the final portion of the missile's flight

你说对了一半。虽然现在我们的进攻能力相当（如果我们能和敌人带的导弹一样多），但054P的防御能力能否比得上对方？至于导弹，我们需要70公里射程的LY-80B。它的优点不仅是射程，而且有能最大限度地提高它的杀伤概率的双脉冲发动机，这种发动机能节约后半部分航程的能源。

Starlord
ELITE MEMBER
what i am more looking forward to is that , how will HHQ-16 will react against the Supersonic missiles, we can have our own inventory of fast missiles but what we need is ability to defend our ships from the similar threat .

我更期待的，是HHQ-16如何应对超音速导弹，我们可以拥有自己的快速导弹，但我们需要的是保护我们的船只，让它们免受超音速导弹的威胁。

Salza
SENIOR MEMBER
Type 054A equipped with C-302s will be one nasty PN frigate for IN
We should get also equip Jf17s with C-302s just like what IAF is doing by pairing brahmos with Su30s

对印度海军来说，装备有C-302的054A型护卫舰将是难缠的家伙。
我们也应该给JF17装备C-302，就像印度空军把布拉莫斯装配到SU30上一样。

Salza
SENIOR MEMBER
Can we equip our existing frigates with these ones ? like on f-22 p frigate

我们能把这些导弹装到现有的护卫舰上吗?比如装到F-22P护卫舰上

LKJ86
SENIOR MEMBER
Why not?

可以

Salza
SENIOR MEMBER
and than for what we are waiting for ? we have zarb but its a subsonic missile and with c302 at the same time will make any frigate/destroyer doubly deadly

那我们还在等什么呢? 我们有Zarb导弹，但它是一种亚音速导弹，如果与C302同时使用的话将使护卫舰/驱逐舰更加致命

IceCold
PDF VETERAN
OsmanAli98 said: ↑
【But these officers also tell NDTV that "there is a long way to go for these missiles to become a credible threat for the Indian Navy" since the Pakistan Navy still lacks long-range sensors which need to target Indian platforms before a CM-302 can actually be fired. 】
Its good that they believe we are acquiring a missile without first acquiring long range sensors that will be required to target Indian platforms.

【……因为巴基斯坦海军仍然缺乏….能够瞄准印度目标的远程探测器。】
很好，他们认为我们只有导弹，没有获得能够瞄准印度目标的远程探测器。

Basel
SENIOR MEMBER
Which we already have, we are just enhancing that with latest purchases.

我们已经有（远程探测器）了，只不过在最新的采购中加强了能力

IceCold
PDF VETERAN
Even if we take their word at its face value, does it make sense to acquire a bullet without a gun first?
I mean which world do these guys live in?

即使我们相信它们字面上的意思，但是买子弹却没有枪有意义吗？
这些家伙活在哪个位面的？
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