“世界在改变”——中国人的反应 [新西兰媒体]

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A Chinese real estate agent has penned an opinion piece for the Herald saying that Auckland is overwhelmed with Chinese.

一位中国房地产经纪人为先驱报写了一篇评论，称奥克兰已经被中国人占领。

The man said that instead of seeing a balanced ethnic mix the city had "started to acquire an unwholesome Chinese flavour".

他说，奥克兰已不再是和谐的种族混合的城市，而是“开始有了不健康的中国味”。

There were poorly designed cheap signs written only in Chinese or with next to no English at every corner of the central suburbs.

在中央郊区的每个角落充斥着设计低廉的汉语标识，旁边都没有英语标注。

The Herald spoke to people within the Chinese community for their response.

先驱报采访中国社区的人们对此作何反应。

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Arthur Loo lawyer executive board and member of the New Zealand China Council

亚瑟 · 卢 新西兰中国委员会执行委员会成员及律师

"I doubt very much this was written by a Chinese person - it is anonymous which is a danger. There's always a danger responding to something that's anonymous.

“我非常怀疑这篇文章出自一位中国人之手——它是匿名的，这很危险。总是有危险分子匿名回复此类文章。

"It's cowardly if you want to come out and make an attack on the Chinese front up and do it identify yourself- how much credibility can you give that?

“如果你想跳出来攻击中国的前景，并以此来彰显自己，这根本是懦夫之举——你的言论可信度有多高？

"It looks like it's come out of the Black Ops department of NZ First - it presses all the "hot issue" buttons... housing education. I think it's been written by a mischievous non- Chinese person.

“这件事首先看起来好像是新西兰政府黑色行动的所作所为——它触碰到所有时下的“热点”……住房教育。我觉得它是一位别有用心的非中国人写的。

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What's your response to the quote Auckland has acquired an unwholesome Chinese flavour?

对于渗入奥克兰的“不健康的中国特色”你有什么看法？

"Auckland has become very cosmopolitan - to say it's unwholesome - that is subjective. Is an alcohol-fuelled lifestyle wholesome our teenage pregnancy rate wholesome is our homelessness wholesome is our domestic violence wholesome?

“奥克兰现在变得国际化--然而说它看上去不健康--这不客观。难道一个充满酒精的生活方式很健康？我们的青少年怀孕率（高居不下）很健康？我们（社会中）那么多无家可归的现象很健康？我们的家庭暴力很健康？“

"Again if he says who he says he is... it's a fair bet he's thriving off the Chinese market. If he doesn't like Chinese coming to NZ he shouldn't accept Chinese business.

“如果这个地产经纪人真的如他自己所说的那样，那么我们可以猜想他从中国人的投资上获得了好处。所以如果他不喜欢中国人来新西兰的话，那么他自己就不应该从事这个行业。

What do you think about the fact this person has sent the email to Winston？

关于这个人给温斯顿发了封邮件你怎么看？

"It sounds like it came from the publicity department of NZ First - he could've sent it to your publication. I am suspicious that this person is not who he says he is - it's been served up to create mischief.

”这听起来就像它来自新西兰的公共宣传部——他本可以把它发到你的出版社的。我现在很怀疑这个人不像是他说的那样-他是被送上来来造恶作剧的


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Ray Daley R26; 6 hrs 
Born and breed Kiwis Aucklanders can't afford to live in there own city.Dont tell me to go live in Whakatane !So now rural locals a getting squeezed out of there towns.Get rid of those Asian signs I would much rather be reading them in Te Reo !

土生土长的奥克兰人却在奥克兰活不下去。不要告诉我去瓦卡塔尼生活。现在越来越多的当地人被挤出这儿的城镇。为了摆脱这些亚洲符号，我宁愿用毛利语去读。

Karl Parker R26; 5 hrs 
This quote totally got me"Well they can come to Gisborne Napier Hastings Whakatane Opotiki to buy a house. Not everyone has to live in Auckland." Totally understand why you would be upset.

这个引述的意思是“他们可以去吉斯伯恩 纳皮尔  黑斯廷斯 瓦卡塔尼 奥波蒂基 买房子。不是每个人必须住在奥克兰。”完全能理解你为什么这么苦恼。

Jay Ess R26; 5 hrs 
its all about money .. its such a shame on u kiwis that u cant afford a single house in Auckland

都是因为钱..新西兰人在奥克兰买不起一座房，就像是一个耻辱。

Phillip Wait R26; 5 hrs 
Do better.

做的更好点！

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Adrian Gani R26; 5 hrs
born and bred kiwis are dumb and broke u should go to whakatane and be on the dole like the rest of the filthy maoris there

土生土长的新西兰人是愚蠢的，你应该去瓦卡塔尼领救济金，就像其他肮脏的毛利人那样。

Josh Ridley R26; 5 hrs 
Whakatane is better than auckland js

瓦卡塔尼比奥克兰好

Travis McElwain R26; 5 hrs 
Chill out New Zealand
So what they come here. They're good hard working people. With low violence rates and genuinely nice. No one cares about the huge increase in Aussies coming here just Asians

冷静下新西兰人
他们来这里又怎样。他们是很努力辛勤工作的人。他们不暴力而且很友好。没有人担心澳洲人的大量涌入，却唯独担忧亚洲人的涌入。

Fraser Newman R26; 5 hrs 
Is this really a problem? Or is it just deep seated xenophobia? New Zealand's population is tiptoeing along. We're only having as many babies as 50 years ago - but we're twice the size. Immigration is helping to keep our population young and dynamic. Without it we'd stagnate and who would pay taxes for all our retired folk to live off? Now up until now everyone has survived with a growing population. Why do we suddenly face a crisis now when we have so few people for such a big country (land area about the size of England or Japan)?

这真的是一个问题吗？或者仅是根深蒂固的仇外心理？新西兰居民一直小心翼翼。我们现在的婴儿出生率和50年前一样，但是人口却已经是50年前的两倍。移民有助于保持我们的年轻人口和活力。没有，我们会停滞不前，谁纳税来养活我们所有的退休生活？人口虽然增长，大家不都还活的好好的。我们的领土那么大（相当于英国或者日本），而人口又那么少，这怎么就突然成危机了呢？

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Tyler Boyd R26; 5 hrs 
What's wrong with Asian signs. The government already prints most important info in many languages. People get all worked up by trivial things.

亚洲文字的标识有什么问题？政府的很多重要信息都使用多种语言来印刷。有些人就是没事找事。

Jude Gillespie R26; 5 hrs 
Fraser you're racist against your own people already here having better rights higher wages and affordable houses.

Fraser你是种族主义者，反对那些已经在这里拥有更好权利、更高收入和买得起房子的自己人。

You're racist against the home team here!!

你们种族主义者在这反对主场！！

Francis Hakaraia R26; 5 hrs 
Adrian Gani......filthy maoris you say?

Adrian Gani ......肮脏的毛利人是你说的吗？

Jude Gillespie R26; 5 hrs
The reserve bank the ANZ chief executive the Auckland chamber of commerce polling conducted on voters even national voters and opposition parties can all agree on one thing.

储备银行，澳新银行首席执行官以及奥克兰商会对选民进行民意测验，甚至国家选民和反对党都能在一件事情上取得一致意见。

We need a sensible discussion on the types of migrants that we should be filtering out. The unskilled ones!!

我们需要对移民的类型进行一场明智的讨论，我们应该过滤掉那些没有技能的人！！

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Fraser Newman R26; 4 hrs 
Jude Gillespie so I'm racist because I don't stick up for white people? Would I also be called sexist if I supported women as well? Because you know racism is failing to bat for your own team right? Think of all those nasty racists who ended slavery! How dare they...

Jude Gillespie，因为我不支持白人我就是个种族主义者？如果我不支持妇女会不会被称作性别歧视者呢？因为你知道种族主义对你们这帮人来说没什么卵用了，对不？想想所有那些恶心的种族主义者吧，他们结束了奴隶制！他们怎敢……

Jude Gillespie R26; 4 hrs 
Who mentioned "white people"?
I said kiwis already here. 
Are you patriotic at all Fraser? 
Do you want to protect Young New Zealanders trying to get a job start a career and a family and buy a home?
Because at the moment we're letting in Unskilled migrants we don't need and they are competing for jobs we don't have shortages for also we aren't building enough houses to house them all and wage inflation is basically non existent and that is part of the problem too.

谁提到的“白人”？
我说过土生新西兰人早已在这里了。
Fraser，你真是爱国的吗？
你想保卫年轻的新西兰人得到一份工作、成家立业和购房安居吗？
因为目前我们放进来的是不需要的非技术移民，他们竞争的是我们并不缺人的工作岗位，我们也没有建造足够的房屋把他们全部安置，薪资上涨也基本不存在了——那也是问题的一部分。

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Andi Shen Liu R26; 4 hrs 
OP those "low-skilled poor born-and-bred Aucklanders" would be just as ****ed due to any population increase by any means. Blaming immigration for increasing the population is a red herring when the underlying cause is a free market where the wealthier have more bidding power on goods and services such as houses.

噗嗤，不管人口以什么方式增加，那些“低技能贫困土着奥克兰人”都会被……。指责移民导致人口增加是转移话题，深层原因是自由市场，那些富人对商品和服务（比如房屋）有更多的出价权。

Fraser Newman R26; 4 hrs 
Jude as I said it isn't like our population is booming. We're not growing any faster than we've been before. So I don't know why this is a problem? Unskilled migrants? Who wants unskilled workers? Do you want our young people competing for skilled jobs or unskilled jobs? And since the population is growing the same as before surely then the problem isn't the growth of the population but the fact these people are 'different'.

Jude我说过这不是人口爆炸的事。我们并不比以前增长得快。因此我不知道为什么这是个问题？非技术移民？谁会要没技术的工人？你是想我们的年轻人竞争技术性岗位还是非技术性岗位？既然人口增长和以前一样，那么问题当然不是人口增长，而是这些人事实上是“不同的”。

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Andi Shen Liu R26; 4 hrs
One alternative to letting the free market determine which houses and which school zones people can buy into is a lottery allocating houses by chance instead of by highest bid. Is that really a better alternative?

有一个替代让自由市场决定哪些房屋和学区人们可以买进的方案，就是用抽奖来分配房屋，靠的是运气而不是最高报价。
那真的是一个更好的替代方案吗？

Andi Shen Liu R26; 4 hrs
The other alternative is to hand down ownership rights to the first two children of any couple forcing the third and greater children to compete for housing.

另一个替代方案是：任何夫妇只能将所有权转给前两个孩子，迫使第三个和更后的孩子自己去为房子打拼。

As Lozlyn R26; 4 hrs 
Dont blame the asians for our governments mistakes

不要因为我们政府的错误去责备亚洲人。

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Andi Shen Liu R26; 4 hrs
As it's not a mistake it's just one alternative state of reality among many that we can work towards.
My suggested solution of having the first two children of a couple consisting of at least one citizen/PR having preferential home ownership rights for their first two children will encourage the third and greater children to emigrate to the smaller regions. It also discourages Gloriavale-like mass-concentrations of ethnic/religious/economic enclaves if the home ownership rights are passed through something similar to Singapore's Housing and Development Board with their quota system for each block.

这没错，这只是在我们可达到的诸多方案中的一种替代状态。
我建议的解决方案是，夫妇中至少一位是新西兰公民的头两个孩子可优先享有房屋的所有权，然后鼓励第三个及更小的孩子移居到小地方。如果房屋所有权能通过类似于新加坡住房发展局对每个街区的配给制度，这也会减少像格洛里亚那样的伦理/宗教/经济飞地的大量集中。

Jude Gillespie R26; 4 hrs 
Fraser Newman
Our population isn't growing maybe it's because young families can't provide suitable housing and have to compete against speculators for houses and foreign labour for jobs and are holding off starting a family??

弗雷泽，我们的人口已不再增长了，或许是因为年轻的家庭无法提供合适的住房，他们不得不与投机者竞争房屋，与外来劳动力竞争工作岗位，所以要推迟组建家庭？

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Jude Gillespie R26; 4 hrs
More people are renting than twenty years ago home ownership levels are down house prices are going up much faster than incomes we're letting in unskilled migrants and they are competing for jobs we don't have shortages for..

相比二十年前，现在更多的人租房住。房屋所有权的水准在下降，而房价上涨的速度又明显快于收入上涨。我们引进了无技能的移民，他们正在跟我们竞争已经饱和的工作机会。

Maybe that's why people are holding off starting a family Fraser.

弗雷泽，也许这就是人们推迟组建家庭的原因。

Fraser Newman R26; 4 hrs
Jude Gillespie ummm... no. Maybe it is because we just aren't (like all developed western countries) having as many children as we used to when women stayed at home and popped one out every few years and contraception was murder.

犹大，嗯，不。也许这是因为我们不再像过去一样生一大堆孩子（就像发达的西方国家一样），以前的妇女经常待在家里，隔几年就生个孩子，而避孕相当于谋杀。

Andi Shen Liu R26; 4 hrs
So what do you all reckon about my proposal that if you are the firstborn or secondborn of a NZ citizen/PR you have automatic priority over anyone else when bidding for a house?

所以你们对我的提议作何感想？如果你是新西兰公民的长子或次子，当进行房屋招标时，你比其他人享有自动优先权？

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Jude Gillespie R26; 3 hrs
Fraser why don't woman stay at home anymore?

Fraser，为什么女性不再待在家里？

I know it's their choice and no one has an issue with that but also women have to also work now to have enough combined income to be able to sustain a mortgage or rent payments because housing has gone up more than incomes.

我知道那是她们的选择，对此没人有问题。因为住房(费用)增加超过了收入，所以现在女人必须工作才能有足够的收入去维持抵押贷款或租金支付。

Fraser Newman R26; 3 hrs
Jude but that isn't immigration or New Zealand. That is the way the world has worked - feminism has liberated women from the home the potential workforce has doubled we see getting women into work as a social good. Or do you think we should go back the other way again?

jude，但是那不是移民或者新西兰。那是世界运作的方式-女权主义已经把女性从家中解放出来，使得潜在的劳动力已经增加了两倍，我们可以看到让女性加入工作的好处。或者你认为我们应该再一次回到其他道路上？